About the following commentary by Andrew -- Cinelerra in any version is still a worthwhile tool even if the only people who use it are us.  As long as my desktop/laptop that were set up to automatically get files to the webserver, I hope to keep working as a moderator.  I like it!

Problem is - I tried to ignite some interest in cingg but may be I am wrong person to do that, or developers want different codebase (more modern c++, etc).

But we do not have thousands of users who can somewhat cooperate and buy year or so of professional developer time (HaikuOS gains like $50k in donations yearly, but they whole OS .. without /proc fs curiously ....).

So we stick in circle where devs consider our program  irrelevant/too complex/too alien and users lack feature/bug resolution so they just install whatever others install - DVR, blender .....

In some sense I think we are much more OG opensource/libre/community software, not piggybacking on big corporate codedrop/development, but few cares about that ...