В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications
HDV 720p 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name?
HDV 1080i 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25
HDV 1080p 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25
Those seems to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work?
At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i" for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats. Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue.
ok ....
Terje J. H
Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin:
Yes it's clear HDV 1080i "Top field first" and DV "Bottom field first"
In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc).
Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot:
An example of HDV material
General ID : 255 (0xFF) Complete name : exemple.m2t Format : MPEG-TS Commercial name : HDV 1080i File size : 30.2 MiB Duration : 10s 878ms Start time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03 End time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14 Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 23.2 Mbps Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
Video ID : 2064 (0x810) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) Format : MPEG Video Commercial name : HDV 1080i Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@High 1440 Format settings, BVOP : Yes Format settings, Matrix : Default Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15 Format settings, picture structure : Frame Codec ID : 2 Duration : 10s 544ms Bit rate : 21.7 Mbps Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps Width : 1 440 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps Standard : Component Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Top Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.466 Stream size : 27.3 MiB (90%) Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio ID : 2068 (0x814) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) Format : MPEG Audio Format version : Version 1 Format profile : Layer 2 Codec ID : 3 Duration : 10s 584ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 384 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -252ms Stream size : 496 KiB (2%)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
An example of DV material (ntsc)
General Complete name : exemple.avi Format : AVI Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave Commercial name : DV File size : 446 MiB Duration : 2mn 3s Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps Recorded date : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000
Video ID : 0 Format : DV Codec ID : dvsd Codec ID/Hint : Sony Duration : 2mn 3s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps Standard : NTSC Color space : /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 Time code of first frame : 00:00:02:08 Time code source : Subcode time code Stream size : 423 MiB (95%) Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus
Audio ID : 1 Format : PCM Format settings, Endianness : Little Format settings, Sign : Signed Codec ID : 1 Duration : 2mn 3s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 22.6 MiB (5%) Alignment : Aligned on interleaves Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame) Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
Pierre
Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit :
Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be
To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field first" .............. General Complete name : /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi Format : AVI Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave Commercial name : DV Format profile : OpenDML File size : 2.12 GiB Duration : 10mn 1s Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps Recorded date : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000
Video ID : 0 Format : DV Codec ID : dvsd Codec ID/Hint : Sony Duration : 10mn 1s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps Width : 720 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps Standard : NTSC Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 Time code of first frame : 00:09:19:19 Time code source : Subcode time code Stream size : 2.02 GiB (95%)
Audio ID : 1 Format : PCM Format settings, Endianness : Little Format settings, Sign : Signed Codec ID : 1 Duration : 10mn 1s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 110 MiB (5%) Alignment : Aligned on interleaves Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame) Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
Terje J. H
Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy to Pierre and Andrew here.
To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first" and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below:
PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0 ======= ========================================= (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
ffprobe dv01_07.dv .................... Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv': Metadata: timecode : 01:09:35:09 Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
mediainfo dv01_07.dv ...................... General Complete name : dv01_07.dv Format : DV File size : 389 MiB Duration : 1 min 53 s Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s
Video Format : DV Duration : 1 min 53 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357 Time code of first frame : 01:09:35:09 Time code source : Subcode time code Stream size : 330 MiB (85%)
Audio ID : 0 Format : PCM Format settings : Big / Signed Duration : 1 min 53 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 20.7 MiB (5%)
PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0 ===================================================== (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t ..................... Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t': Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s Program 100 Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0) Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)
mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t ........................ General ID : 255 (0xFF) Complete name : hdv01_03.m2t Format : MPEG-TS Commercial name : HDV 1080i File size : 2.00 GiB Duration : 10 min 57 s Start time : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17 End time : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00 Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s Encoded date : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
Video ID : 2064 (0x810) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) Format : MPEG Video Commercial name : HDV 1080i Format version : Version 2 Format profile : Main@High 1440 Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP Format settings, BVOP : Yes Format settings, Matrix : Custom Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12 Format settings, picture structure : Frame Codec ID : 2 Duration : 10 min 57 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s Width : 1 440 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : Component Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced Scan order : Top Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.628 Stream size : 1.87 GiB (94%) Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio ID : 2068 (0x814) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) Format : MPEG Audio Format version : Version 1 Format profile : Layer 2 Codec ID : 3 Duration : 10 min 57 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 384 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -192 ms Stream size : 30.1 MiB (1%)
Menu ID : 129 (0x81) Menu ID : 100 (0x64) List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
---------------- Terje J. H