Update on Blend Algebra / Blend Program plugins
*SGE* "no user impact" patch applied in GIT source checkin for increased robustness which you can see if you want at: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=670 For those who take advantage of *Andrey*'s package releases for automatic updates, they are building and are at: https://github.com/einhander/cin-gg-packages/releases Also, checked into GIT Manual a few minor changes to the wording, punctuation, and removing commentary that I found interesting but would not help the user in usage (for example, "there is proof that any program has infinite number of undetected bugs"!!). Modified the Developer's section to put these plugins' workflow here so that developers can follow this methodology to in the future to add additional effects, because as was stated "one can more quickly test different combinations without spending time to restart Cinelerra, recompile it, reload project, and reattach plugins, etc.". Section is "*Unique Blend plugins workflow*". After I do some more checking, I will at least update the PDF document on the website. *Andrea *had provided some latex fixes for other plugin figures that were out of whack that I checked in too. And if he has time, could he check that I got them right? I spotted another figure that needed fixing but I can not remember where it was. *IgorBeg* - curiosity question -- does the white line on the bottom of the Blend Algebra icon represent the fact that it combines its tracks? or does it represent the fact that there are multiple tracks? or something else?
PDF is OK, for me. Il mar 11 mar 2025, 23:55 Phyllis Smith via Cin <[email protected]> ha scritto:
*SGE* "no user impact" patch applied in GIT source checkin for increased robustness which you can see if you want at: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=670 For those who take advantage of *Andrey*'s package releases for automatic updates, they are building and are at: https://github.com/einhander/cin-gg-packages/releases
Also, checked into GIT Manual a few minor changes to the wording, punctuation, and removing commentary that I found interesting but would not help the user in usage (for example, "there is proof that any program has infinite number of undetected bugs"!!). Modified the Developer's section to put these plugins' workflow here so that developers can follow this methodology to in the future to add additional effects, because as was stated "one can more quickly test different combinations without spending time to restart Cinelerra, recompile it, reload project, and reattach plugins, etc.". Section is "*Unique Blend plugins workflow*". After I do some more checking, I will at least update the PDF document on the website.
*Andrea *had provided some latex fixes for other plugin figures that were out of whack that I checked in too. And if he has time, could he check that I got them right? I spotted another figure that needed fixing but I can not remember where it was.
*IgorBeg* - curiosity question -- does the white line on the bottom of the Blend Algebra icon represent the fact that it combines its tracks? or does it represent the fact that there are multiple tracks? or something else?
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I like your curiosity Phyllis. ;-) Before drawing the icons I read the sentences by SGE (George): --- Start quote --------- The main difference between the two plugins is the following. Blend Algebra is like a function: it combines its arguments (tracks) and yields the result which is placed into the single configured track. Blend Program does not produce a function result. Instead, it directly modifies its arguments (like a void function with side effect in C). --- END quote --------- So I thought that the two icons must be almost the same because I think they have the same "root",... and the white line indicates that it combines its arguments (tracks). Congratulations Phyllis,... you are great! Il 11/03/2025 23:54, Phyllis Smith via Cin ha scritto:
curiosity question -- does the white line on the bottom of the Blend Algebra icon represent the fact that it combines its tracks? or does it represent the fact that there are multiple tracks? or something else?
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of "Innovative Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special! On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 4:54 PM Phyllis Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
*SGE* "no user impact" patch applied in GIT source checkin for increased robustness which you can see if you want at: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=670 For those who take advantage of *Andrey*'s package releases for automatic updates, they are building and are at: https://github.com/einhander/cin-gg-packages/releases
Also, checked into GIT Manual a few minor changes to the wording, punctuation, and removing commentary that I found interesting but would not help the user in usage (for example, "there is proof that any program has infinite number of undetected bugs"!!). Modified the Developer's section to put these plugins' workflow here so that developers can follow this methodology to in the future to add additional effects, because as was stated "one can more quickly test different combinations without spending time to restart Cinelerra, recompile it, reload project, and reattach plugins, etc.". Section is "*Unique Blend plugins workflow*". After I do some more checking, I will at least update the PDF document on the website.
*Andrea *had provided some latex fixes for other plugin figures that were out of whack that I checked in too. And if he has time, could he check that I got them right? I spotted another figure that needed fixing but I can not remember where it was.
*IgorBeg* - curiosity question -- does the white line on the bottom of the Blend Algebra icon represent the fact that it combines its tracks? or does it represent the fact that there are multiple tracks? or something else?
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Phyllis Smith via Cin wrote:
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of "Innovative Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special!
Perhaps I'd prefer to say somehow more precise (feel free to improve my sentence): The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide the advanced feature of combining and modifying color pixels and transparencies of several tracks according to a mathematic algorithm written entirely by the user in the form of compact and simple piece of code. Such user defined algorithms (blend functions) are compiled, dynamically linked and immediately executed inside Cinelerra on the fly without the need to restart application, reload project, reattach plugins etc. _______________________________________________________________________________ Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
That is much more technically correct and I have updated it accordingly in GIT Introduction innovative features section. I will also eventually update accordingly in the Plugin and Developer section (still re-reading them to make sure nothing got missed). On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 5:50 AM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Phyllis Smith via Cin wrote:
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of "Innovative Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special!
Perhaps I'd prefer to say somehow more precise (feel free to improve my sentence):
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide the advanced feature of combining and modifying color pixels and transparencies of several tracks according to a mathematic algorithm written entirely by the user in the form of compact and simple piece of code. Such user defined algorithms (blend functions) are compiled, dynamically linked and immediately executed inside Cinelerra on the fly without the need to restart application, reload project, reattach plugins etc.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
_______________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:54 AM Phyllis Smith via Cin <[email protected]> wrote:
That is much more technically correct and I have updated it accordingly in GIT Introduction innovative features section. I will also eventually update accordingly in the Plugin and Developer section (still re-reading them to make sure nothing got missed).
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at /usr/pkg/bin/perl so default chebang in perl file does not work .... hm ....
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 5:50 AM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Phyllis Smith via Cin wrote:
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of "Innovative Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special!
Perhaps I'd prefer to say somehow more precise (feel free to improve my sentence):
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide the advanced feature of combining and modifying color pixels and transparencies of several tracks according to a mathematic algorithm written entirely by the user in the form of compact and simple piece of code. Such user defined algorithms (blend functions) are compiled, dynamically linked and immediately executed inside Cinelerra on the fly without the need to restart application, reload project, reattach plugins etc.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
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On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 12:46 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:54 AM Phyllis Smith via Cin <[email protected]> wrote:
That is much more technically correct and I have updated it accordingly in GIT Introduction innovative features section. I will also eventually update accordingly in the Plugin and Developer section (still re-reading them to make sure nothing got missed).
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at
/usr/pkg/bin/perl
so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
hm ....
while I do not know fix for shebang in pl files yet at least i tried to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD Does it still work on Linux ? :)
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 5:50 AM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Phyllis Smith via Cin wrote:
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of "Innovative Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special!
Perhaps I'd prefer to say somehow more precise (feel free to improve my sentence):
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide the advanced feature of combining and modifying color pixels and transparencies of several tracks according to a mathematic algorithm written entirely by the user in the form of compact and simple piece of code. Such user defined algorithms (blend functions) are compiled, dynamically linked and immediately executed inside Cinelerra on the fly without the need to restart application, reload project, reattach plugins etc.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at /usr/pkg/bin/perl so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
Andrew, try to read `perldoc perlrun` Near the 60-th line several shamanic tricks are suggested to execute a Perl script if it is not known a priori where the executable is located: #!/bin/sh #! -*-perl-*- eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' if 0; or #!/usr/bin/env perl Of course, the second will not work if NetBSD has no /usr/bin/env, and the first if `sh' under NetBSD is not in /bin. Although I personally would prefer a recommendation to either manually symlink /usr/pkg/bin/perl to /usr/bin on such systems, or manually edit shebang in all the *.pl scripts (ContextManual.pl as well) when building CinGG under exotic OS. I am afraid of too shamanic techniques.
to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD Does it still work on Linux ? :)
I inserted -ldl just because `man dlopen` instructs to do it. May be, it can work without it (for example, if some other shared library linked to plugins by default requires it already), I just did not test. _______________________________________________________________________________ Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:58 PM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at /usr/pkg/bin/perl so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
Andrew, try to read `perldoc perlrun`
Near the 60-th line several shamanic tricks are suggested to execute a Perl script if it is not known a priori where the executable is located:
#!/bin/sh #! -*-perl-*- eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' if 0;
or
#!/usr/bin/env perl
Of course, the second will not work if NetBSD has no /usr/bin/env, and the first if `sh' under NetBSD is not in /bin.
Although I personally would prefer a recommendation to either manually symlink /usr/pkg/bin/perl to /usr/bin on such systems, or manually edit shebang in all the *.pl scripts (ContextManual.pl as well) when building CinGG under exotic OS. I am afraid of too shamanic techniques.
I hope pkgsrc can deal with this (there is plenty automatic wrappers for all those python/perlcc stuff) For now I can keep small patch for those two pl files PS: netbsd10# /usr/bin/env perl perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = (unset), LC_NUMERIC = (unset), LC_COLLATE = (unset), LC_TIME = (unset), LC_MESSAGES = (unset), LC_MONETARY = (unset), LANG = "en_EN.utf8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). ^C netbsd10# /usr/bin/env ENV=/root/.shrc BLOCKSIZE=1k PWD=/root/src/cinelerra/cinelerra-5.1 LOCALE=en_EN.utf8 LANG=en_EN.utf8 HOME=/root PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/pkg/sbin:/usr/pkg/bin:/usr/games:/usr/X11R7/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin HOST=netbsd10 TERM=xterm-256color OLDPWD=/root/src/cinelerra USER=root EDITOR=mcedit LOGNAME=root SU_FROM=guest SHELL=/bin/sh netbsd10# so i think it works .... MAMEs build system also can't cope with raw NetBSD
to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD Does it still work on Linux ? :)
I inserted -ldl just because `man dlopen` instructs to do it. May be, it can work without it (for example, if some other shared library linked to plugins by default requires it already), I just did not test.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 2:07 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:58 PM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at /usr/pkg/bin/perl so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
Andrew, try to read `perldoc perlrun`
Near the 60-th line several shamanic tricks are suggested to execute a Perl script if it is not known a priori where the executable is located:
#!/bin/sh #! -*-perl-*- eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' if 0;
or
#!/usr/bin/env perl
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ used this and tested on Termux (where it was working previously, and still works) and on netBSD
Of course, the second will not work if NetBSD has no /usr/bin/env, and the first if `sh' under NetBSD is not in /bin.
Although I personally would prefer a recommendation to either manually symlink /usr/pkg/bin/perl to /usr/bin on such systems, or manually edit shebang in all the *.pl scripts (ContextManual.pl as well) when building CinGG under exotic OS. I am afraid of too shamanic techniques.
I hope pkgsrc can deal with this (there is plenty automatic wrappers for all those python/perlcc stuff)
For now I can keep small patch for those two pl files
PS:
netbsd10# /usr/bin/env perl perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = (unset), LC_NUMERIC = (unset), LC_COLLATE = (unset), LC_TIME = (unset), LC_MESSAGES = (unset), LC_MONETARY = (unset), LANG = "en_EN.utf8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). ^C netbsd10# /usr/bin/env ENV=/root/.shrc BLOCKSIZE=1k PWD=/root/src/cinelerra/cinelerra-5.1 LOCALE=en_EN.utf8 LANG=en_EN.utf8 HOME=/root PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/pkg/sbin:/usr/pkg/bin:/usr/games:/usr/X11R7/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin HOST=netbsd10 TERM=xterm-256color OLDPWD=/root/src/cinelerra USER=root EDITOR=mcedit LOGNAME=root SU_FROM=guest SHELL=/bin/sh netbsd10#
so i think it works ....
MAMEs build system also can't cope with raw NetBSD
to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD Does it still work on Linux ? :)
I inserted -ldl just because `man dlopen` instructs to do it. May be, it can work without it (for example, if some other shared library linked to plugins by default requires it already), I just did not test.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
#!/usr/bin/env perl
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
used this and tested on Termux (where it was working previously, and still works) and on netBSD
OK, on Slackware64-15 it works too. Another possibility perhaps could be adjusting the path to perl via autoconf/configure scripts. Do you know the autoconf system, Andrew? I do not, of multisystem makefile generators I know only the X11 imake. _______________________________________________________________________________ Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
пт, 14 мар. 2025 г., 16:26 Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]>:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
#!/usr/bin/env perl
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
used this and tested on Termux (where it was working previously, and still works) and on netBSD
OK, on Slackware64-15 it works too.
Another possibility perhaps could be adjusting the path to perl via autoconf/configure scripts. Do you know the autoconf system, Andrew? I do not, of multisystem makefile generators I know only the X11 imake.
No, I usually search around and pick something from stackoverflow ;) _______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
_______________________________________________________________________________
пт, 14 мар. 2025 г., 15:08 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 2:07 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:58 PM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at /usr/pkg/bin/perl so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
Andrew, try to read `perldoc perlrun`
Near the 60-th line several shamanic tricks are suggested to execute a
Perl
script if it is not known a priori where the executable is located:
#!/bin/sh #! -*-perl-*- eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' if 0;
or
#!/usr/bin/env perl
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
used this and tested on Termux (where it was working previously, and still works) and on netBSD
can we add this one before I forgot about it ? ;)
Of course, the second will not work if NetBSD has no /usr/bin/env, and
the
first if `sh' under NetBSD is not in /bin.
Although I personally would prefer a recommendation to either manually symlink /usr/pkg/bin/perl to /usr/bin on such systems, or manually edit shebang in all the *.pl scripts (ContextManual.pl as well) when building CinGG under exotic OS. I am afraid of too shamanic techniques.
I hope pkgsrc can deal with this (there is plenty automatic wrappers for all those python/perlcc stuff)
For now I can keep small patch for those two pl files
PS:
netbsd10# /usr/bin/env perl perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = (unset), LC_NUMERIC = (unset), LC_COLLATE = (unset), LC_TIME = (unset), LC_MESSAGES = (unset), LC_MONETARY = (unset), LANG = "en_EN.utf8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). ^C netbsd10# /usr/bin/env ENV=/root/.shrc BLOCKSIZE=1k PWD=/root/src/cinelerra/cinelerra-5.1 LOCALE=en_EN.utf8 LANG=en_EN.utf8 HOME=/root
PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/pkg/sbin:/usr/pkg/bin:/usr/games:/usr/X11R7/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin
HOST=netbsd10 TERM=xterm-256color OLDPWD=/root/src/cinelerra USER=root EDITOR=mcedit LOGNAME=root SU_FROM=guest SHELL=/bin/sh netbsd10#
so i think it works ....
MAMEs build system also can't cope with raw NetBSD
to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD Does it still work on Linux ? :)
I inserted -ldl just because `man dlopen` instructs to do it. May be,
it can
work without it (for example, if some other shared library linked to plugins by default requires it already), I just did not test.
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
пт, 14 мар. 2025 г., 13:16 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 12:46 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 1:54 AM Phyllis Smith via Cin <[email protected]> wrote:
That is much more technically correct and I have updated it
accordingly in GIT Introduction innovative features section. I will also eventually update accordingly in the Plugin and Developer section (still re-reading them to make sure nothing got missed).
Tried to compile on NetBSD and found that here perl located at
/usr/pkg/bin/perl
so default chebang in perl file does not work ....
hm ....
while I do not know fix for shebang in pl files yet at least i tried to fix -ldl LDFLAGS on netBSD
Does it still work on Linux ? :)
and this one .....
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 5:50 AM Georgy Salnikov <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Phyllis Smith via Cin wrote:
Also, updated GIT Manual to add these plugins to the list of
"Innovative
Features" in the Introduction section:
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide a methodology for developers to program new effects quickly while testing different combinations without spending time to restart, recompile, reload your project, reattach plugins, and so on.
Not sure if there are other NLEs out there that have this versatility, but it is quite special!
Perhaps I'd prefer to say somehow more precise (feel free to improve my sentence):
The Blend Algebra/Blend Program plugins provide the advanced feature of combining and modifying color pixels and transparencies of several tracks according to a mathematic algorithm written entirely by the user in the form of compact and simple piece of code. Such user defined algorithms (blend functions) are compiled, dynamically linked and immediately executed inside Cinelerra on the fly without the need to restart application, reload project, reattach plugins etc.
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
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