Imported sequences in Master Project and the Viewer
Full title: From the Viewer to the Timeline with the sequences imported in a Master Project. I write here because I think it is not a bug, but may be it is important to add it in the Manual. I would like to know yours opinion/possibility. Consider you have: - a subproject with more video and audio tracks, and on the tracks there are clips, autos, effects and keyframes. - a Master Project with clips, autos, effect and keyframes. 1) In the Master Project, import the subproject (sequence) with "Insertion strategy= Create new resources only". You can see the subproject (sequence) in Resources->Clips (and its full name is the absolute path). 2) Drag and Drop the sequence from Clips to the Viewer. 3) Set In and Out Point in the Viewer and, in the Timeline, move the cursor position at the end of the tracks (for this example). 4) Click on "Splice (v)" button in the Viewer. You can see the complete Sequence (autos, effects, keyframes) in the Timeline. 5) In the Timeline, move the cursor position at the end of the tracks again. 6) This time, click on "Overwrite (b)" button in the Viewer. You can see the Sequence in the Timeline, but without its autos, effects and keyframe. If in the Timeline there were some autos/effects/keyframe, before of the Overwrite operation from the Viewer, they will still be there. This behaviour occur also with "to Clip" feature, used from Timeline and following the steps from point#2. Note_1: Remember that if you want put the sequence correctly (with all its tracks) in the Master Project you must have the same, or more, number of tracks that there are in the original sequence (the original subproject). About Note_1, I don't know if it is possible to implement by code, but could cinelerra open a little window with an alert if the tracks in the Master Project are less than the tracks in the sequence? The alert could say something like: "The sequence/clip needs <V> more video track(s) and <A> more audio track(s) in the Timeline otherwise the sequence will be incomplete. Do you want to continue? <Yes> <No>". Where: <V>= number of video tracks to add <A>= number of audio tracks to add Thanks. IgorBeg
Thank you IgorBeg, an important and instructive addition to the manual. If Phyllis gives permission I will integrate it immediately in the manual_wip. Only two doubts: 1- Better to put it in the Load and Save chapter (4 of 'wip') or in the Editing chapter (5)? 2- I don't like titles that are too long. Could you leave the full description in the body of the section and shorten the title? For example "Use case: load Sub-project in (into?) a Master-project" or something else of your choice? Igor, thank you for your contributions and I take this opportunity to extend to all users the invitation to make known mistakes and weaknesses of the manual. The aim is to make it better and better.
Andrea:
1- Better to put it in the Load and Save chapter (4 of 'wip') or in the Editing chapter (5)?
I think it belongs in the Editing chapter (6.3 in original Two Screen Editing). IgorB/Andrea: The .pdf and .odt files are temporarily at: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/usecase.odt https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/usecase.pdf After testing and discussing with gg, I reworded Igor's description so that it made sense to me with the wording. I hope that is OK, but it can be changed again if I missed something. And the title was changed to better fit into the Editing chapter. Igor, thank you for your contributions and I take this opportunity to
extend to all users the invitation to make known mistakes and weaknesses of the manual. The aim is to make it better and better.
Yes, thank you and even if anyone has any minor corrections, please pass them along. Once it starts getting cold here, I hope to get back to putting in some fixes to the LaTex sections that Andrea/Andrey have already completed. Commentary: GG looked at the code and the way the Overwrite works was intentionally written to work this way (it is a feature, not a bug). To me it makes good sense, because you could very well want the autos/plugins you put in the Master to be in effect always for smooth looking videos. Also, I will find out about a warning message as recommended in "about note 1", but I am forecasting that gg will not want to. Phyllis/GG
About Manual. In the "usecase.pdf", at the end of the document, where there is the "Note: for correct ... project.", I would add something like "To avoid to know how many tracks you need, you can use Nest feature (see Nesting sub-chapter)". More I would suggest to insert the word "sequence" near "Sub project", because a professional user know so; and in Load window you find "Nest *sequence*" option. You can write in the point #2 "...also saved a Sub project (usually called sequence)..." and then to use always the word "sequence" instead of "sub project". And, for my personal taste, I would change the title in "Working with the sequences" and then, I think, is needed a more complex explain in that sub-chapter. Only an idea. On the manual, in "Camera and Projector" section, I think it would be important to add the two images that you find in "Cinelerra CV Manual.htm" and I add here. I know, they are drawn by hand but it is important to understand how camera and projector work.
GG looked at the code and the way the Overwrite works was intentionally written to work this way (it is a feature, not a bug). To me it makes good sense, because you could very well want the autos/plugins you put in the Master to be in effect always for smooth looking videos. Thanks GG. And I think you are right, Phyllis. May be that you want put a part of a sequence in the Master project without overwrite the Master project's effects.
Also, I will find out about a warning message as recommended in "about note 1", but I am forecasting that gg will not want to. Okay. Thank you.
IgorBeg
IgorB: More I would suggest to insert the word "sequence" near "Sub project",
because a professional user know so; and in Load window you find "Nest *sequence*" option. .
OK, I am going to rewrite what I wrote based on your original email. We had no idea what "sequence" meant and thought it was Italian for something else (!). Now I looked it up in reference to Video Editing and Final Cut Express uses it a lot so now I have a much better understanding. I used Sub project because I thought it was more related to what Deim was talking about.
On the manual, in "Camera and Projector" section, I think it would be important to add the two images that you find in "Cinelerra CV Manual.htm" and I add here. I know, they are drawn by hand but it is important to understand how camera and projector work.
I agree but I really do not like the hand drawing.
Andrea/IgorB: Fixed version usecase.pdf and usecase.odt and replaced them where they were yesterday under...download/testing. On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:30 AM Igor BEGHETTO <[email protected]> wrote:
About Manual. In the "usecase.pdf", at the end of the document, where there is the "Note: for correct ... project.", I would add something like "To avoid to know how many tracks you need, you can use Nest feature (see Nesting sub-chapter)". More I would suggest to insert the word "sequence" near "Sub project", because a professional user know so; and in Load window you find "Nest *sequence*" option. You can write in the point #2 "...also saved a Sub project (usually called sequence)..." and then to use always the word "sequence" instead of "sub project". And, for my personal taste, I would change the title in "Working with the sequences" and then, I think, is needed a more complex explain in that sub-chapter. Only an idea.
On the manual, in "Camera and Projector" section, I think it would be important to add the two images that you find in "Cinelerra CV Manual.htm" and I add here. I know, they are drawn by hand but it is important to understand how camera and projector work.
GG looked at the code and the way the Overwrite works was intentionally written to work this way (it is a feature, not a bug). To me it makes good sense, because you could very well want the autos/plugins you put in the Master to be in effect always for smooth looking videos.
Thanks GG. And I think you are right, Phyllis. May be that you want put a part of a sequence in the Master project without overwrite the Master project's effects.
Also, I will find out about a warning message as recommended in "about note 1", but I am forecasting that gg will not want to.
Okay. Thank you.
IgorBeg -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
I read quickly the doc (usecase_20190917.pdf). It seems to me good. Of course you have to know the differences between Splice and Overwrite feature. Thanks!
Done. On my own initiative, I changed the title and put a subtitle on it; but further changes are always possible. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0js49r47s0qu621/CinelerraGG_Manual.pdf?dl=0 @Igor
On the manual, in "Camera and Projector" section, I think it would be important to add the two images that you find in "Cinelerra CV Manual.htm" and I add here. I know, they are drawn by hand but it is important to understand how camera and projector work. Igor, you (or others) could redraw them in Inkscape or even Blender. I don't think the original author cares.
Andrea: I can not see either of the proxy nested or sequences use cases - either looking at the link or doing a direct download. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Phyllis On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:15 AM Andrea paz <[email protected]> wrote:
Done. On my own initiative, I changed the title and put a subtitle on it; but further changes are always possible.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0js49r47s0qu621/CinelerraGG_Manual.pdf?dl=0 stinfo/cin <https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin>
Thanks Andrea_paz for the pdf Manual. I saw the new Use case. About redrawing the two images of the Camera and Projector I hope someone can do them. Eventually, if nobody can do it , I will do it. IgorBeg PS (Off Topic): I noticed that Cinelerra-GG build has "cropp.plugin" file into "cin5/plugins/" directory instead of "cin5/pugins/video/" directory. It is strange, I think.
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