Timeline: Move the clips with new features
This thread to shows how many place we can have to move the clips, and group, on Timeline. Timeline_Clips-SelectAndMove.ogv https://streamable.com/xfkkc source file: https://www.datafilehost.com/d/4d51f8a8 /* *** "Drag and Drop editing mode" *** */ - 07"...15": tried to drag with hold down LMB (Left Mouse Button ) and drag - 16"...22": multiple selections with LMB and move (Drag&Drop) with LMB - 23"...43": multiple selections with LMB and move with MMB (Middle Mouse Button), Mute&Past /* *** "Cut and Past editing mode" *** */ - 51"...1'14": multiple selections with Ctrl+LMB and move with MMB, Mute&Past Timeline_Group-SelectMakeAndMove.ogv https://streamable.com/7880b source file: https://www.datafilehost.com/d/3be67f3e /* *** "Drag and Drop editing mode" *** */ - 07"...30": multiple selections with LMB, group the clips with Shift+LMB, and move (Drag&Drop) with LMB - 49"...1'20": multiple selections with LMB, group the clips with Shift+LMB, and move with MMB, Mute&Past /* *** "Cut and Past editing mode" *** */ - 1'34"...2'27": multiple selections with Ctrl+LMB, group the clips with Ctrl+Shift+LMB, select the group with Shift+LMB, and move with MMB, Mute&Past Thanks. IgorBeg PS: From Cinelerra-GG's MantisBT Feature #0000007 Screencasts by Cin-gg ver. Ub16 built Dec 22 2018 14:49:05
All: GIT checking contains changes as reported in the last email + 2 builds at: https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-mint18-x86_64-st... https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-stat... Shortcuts.html in the "shell cmds" area has been updated to reflect what I hope is the "final answer" -- look at the Drag/Drop Edits area. For the preference setting check "Clears before toggle" -- checked means filebox way with single click for a single selection and Ctrl-lmb to add to. If not enable, just click away. I hope this is acceptable because it has been a lot of code finagling for gg and has changed so many times that I can not keep the document updated correctly. gg/Phyllis
GG/Phyllis, thanks for the Cin-GG built: Dec 23 2018 18:36:53 Really good. Some considerations. Setting -> Preferences -> Clear before toggle = checked 1) when you change mode from “Drag and Drop editing mode” to “Cut and paste editing mode”, all the clips/groups selected should be cleared. 2) in “Drag and Drop editing mode”: select only a clip with LMB, if I select again the same clip/group, it should be cleared. Now I have to use Ctrl+LMB or Ctrl+Shift+A to deselect that clip; so, it is not bad, for me it is really good, then the info for the user is needed. 3) Ctrl+LMB for multiple selections and Shift+LMB for group/ungroup is really perfect! I think it is really similar to other software, also not NLE. Really good! I would suggested some things and I would like to know what do you (Developers, Sam, and you all are reading) think about. Thanks. A) If the improve (the add) about the drag with hold down LMB (Left Mouse Button ) a clip/group, without to select that clip/group before (in "Drag and Drop editing mode"), will be done, then the option “Clear before toggle” in Preference could be delete? B) Move a few options from submenu with MMB to submenu with RMB: Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. C) In “Cut and paste editing mode” the MMB go away (for the others next features with others options?) D) In “Drag and Drop editing mode” you will have all: - MMB: Clear select, Copy, Cut, Mute, Copy pack, Cut pack, Mute pack, Paste, Overwrite. - RMB: Attach effect…, Move Up, Move Dn, Delete track, Add track, Resize track…, Match output size, Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. - Ctrl+LMB for multiple selections. - Shift+LMB for group/ungroup. - Mouse over a clip/group, hold down LMB and drag to move (see A point) Thanks again GG/Phyllis for the patience. And Merry Xmas at you all!
Phyllis and GG, thank you very much for the new Drag and Drop's behavior. Thank you also for not losing your patience; the result obtained is exceptional and I hope that you will be as proud as its usefulness is for me. Thanks again for the lovely Christmas present. [ And so are three thanks in one message. A record! :-) ] IgorBeg, I approve all your suggestions as well as Sam's request to avoid the second click to make the Drag. Let's give GG a little rest; it's Christmas time!
Am 24.12.18 um 14:42 schrieb Igor BEGHETTO:
GG/Phyllis, thanks for the Cin-GG built: Dec 23 2018 18:36:53 Really good.
Some considerations. Setting -> Preferences -> Clear before toggle = checked 1) when you change mode from “Drag and Drop editing mode” to “Cut and paste editing mode”, all the clips/groups selected should be cleared. 2) in “Drag and Drop editing mode”: select only a clip with LMB, if I select again the same clip/group, it should be cleared. Now I have to use Ctrl+LMB or Ctrl+Shift+A to deselect that clip; so, it is not bad, for me it is really good, then the info for the user is needed.
I agree with you. It's a good thing.
3) Ctrl+LMB for multiple selections and Shift+LMB for group/ungroup is really perfect! I think it is really similar to other software, also not NLE. Really good!
I would suggested some things and I would like to know what do you (Developers, Sam, and you all are reading) think about. Thanks. A) If the improve (the add) about the drag with hold down LMB (Left Mouse Button ) a clip/group, without to select that clip/group before (in "Drag and Drop editing mode"), will be done, then the option “Clear before toggle” in Preference could be delete?
It concerns the feature that Phyllis, GG and I like very much. Therefore it makes no sense to remove this option again. This option was introduced to give you multiple selection with CTRL + mouse click. The option “Clear before toggle” in Preference doesn't affect the one-click drag procedure as I understood it.
B) Move a few options from submenu with MMB to submenu with RMB: Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color.
There are two different context menus. One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related. The way GG did it is logically correct. With your suggestion you would move clip related actions (Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color) to track related actions, but that wouldn't be correct.
C) In “Cut and paste editing mode” the MMB go away (for the others next features with others options?)
Why? Sorry, I still don't understand what the reason for this suggestion is. This one more option gives me more flexibility. I can copy and paste individual clips elsewhere, even though I am in this mode. This saves me one step. Also, this action is optional, why should we remove an optional capability?
D) In “Drag and Drop editing mode” you will have all: - MMB: Clear select, Copy, Cut, Mute, Copy pack, Cut pack, Mute pack, Paste, Overwrite. - RMB: Attach effect…, Move Up, Move Dn, Delete track, Add track, Resize track…, Match output size, Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. - Ctrl+LMB for multiple selections. - Shift+LMB for group/ungroup. - Mouse over a clip/group, hold down LMB and drag to move (see A point)
Thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate it very much, even if we disagree with some of the above points. Sam
Thanks for your reply even though I hoped more people were intersted about. Only five. (Thanks Andrea for your contribute) - IgorBeg quote: B) Move a few options from submenu with MMB to submenu with RMB: Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. - Sam quote: There are two different context menus. One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related. The way GG did it is logically correct. With your suggestion you would move clip related actions (Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color) to track related actions, but that wouldn't be correct. Sam, I agree completely with you about "One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related." And I would like to say the same thing for the two different mode “Drag and Drop editing mode” and “Cut and paste editing mode”: the first mode is Clip related (and GG have done a really fantastic work) and the second would have to be Track related. Unfortunately in “Cut and paste editing mode” a function is changed; now, if we do double click on a clip, that clip is selected (with a red rectangle) instead of highlight the area. To highlight the area the Ctrl key have to be pressed before. IMHO, maybe and I say maybe, it was better the opposite: double click, as it was before (highlight), and with Ctrl+dLMB the new feature (clip selected): priority on Track behaviour. What do you (all) think about, please? Thanks for all the work. IgorBeg
Am 27.12.18 um 11:57 schrieb Igor BEGHETTO:
Thanks for your reply even though I hoped more people were intersted about. Only five. (Thanks Andrea for your contribute)
- IgorBeg quote: B) Move a few options from submenu with MMB to submenu with RMB: Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. - Sam quote: There are two different context menus. One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related. The way GG did it is logically correct. With your suggestion you would move clip related actions (Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color) to track related actions, but that wouldn't be correct.
Sam, I agree completely with you about "One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related." And I would like to say the same thing for the two different mode “Drag and Drop editing mode” and “Cut and paste editing mode”: the first mode is Clip related (and GG have done a really fantastic work) and the second would have to be Track related. Unfortunately in “Cut and paste editing mode” a function is changed; now, if we do double click on a clip, that clip is selected (with a red rectangle) instead of highlight the area. To highlight the area the Ctrl key have to be pressed before. IMHO, maybe and I say maybe, it was better the opposite: double click, as it was before (highlight), and with Ctrl+dLMB the new feature (clip selected): priority on Track behaviour.
What do you (all) think about, please?
You're right, I haven't noticed that yet. Your suggestion sounds reasonable. I guess that GG wanted to standardize the mouse behavior. Logically it makes sense, in Drag & Drop mode you have to select several clips with CTRL + left mouse click. In Cut & Paste mode you can select multiple tracks with CTRL + double left mouse click, therefore a similar behavior. However, your suggestion is more user-friendly because you save the CTRL key in the cut & paste mode. I like your suggestion. +1 (as long as it doesn't change the behavior in drag & drop mode and the clip context menu.) Sam
I hesitate to intervene in such an intense discussion, but I may have an idea of a compromise that might be acceptable to the different points of view. The problem of consistency and coherence concerns only the "Cut and paste editing mode". Solution: Double-clicking could result in only one clip being selected (as in the "Drag and Drop editing mode") but by the highlight (rather than the red outline) of this single clip. Ctrl key would allow, by the double clip, the highlight of the whole area on all the associated tracks. This would maintain a constant behaviour in the selection process, while not changing the nature of the "Cut and paste editing mode", but would add the possibility of quick selection of a single clip. Pierre On 18-12-27 05 h 57, Igor BEGHETTO wrote:
Thanks for your reply even though I hoped more people were intersted about. Only five. (Thanks Andrea for your contribute)
- IgorBeg quote: B) Move a few options from submenu with MMB to submenu with RMB: Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color. - Sam quote: There are two different context menus. One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related. The way GG did it is logically correct. With your suggestion you would move clip related actions (Find in Resources, Show edit, User title Bar color) to track related actions, but that wouldn't be correct.
Sam, I agree completely with you about "One context menu is Track related and the other context menu is Clip related." And I would like to say the same thing for the two different mode “Drag and Drop editing mode” and “Cut and paste editing mode”: the first mode is Clip related (and GG have done a really fantastic work) and the second would have to be Track related. Unfortunately in “Cut and paste editing mode” a function is changed; now, if we do double click on a clip, that clip is selected (with a red rectangle) instead of highlight the area. To highlight the area the Ctrl key have to be pressed before. IMHO, maybe and I say maybe, it was better the opposite: double click, as it was before (highlight), and with Ctrl+dLMB the new feature (clip selected): priority on Track behaviour.
What do you (all) think about, please?
Thanks for all the work.
IgorBeg
Thanks for your reply, Sam and Pierre. Now I understood because Ctrl+dLMB, on a clip, works so, and you all, surely, knew it. It use the same behaviour for the two mode “Drag and Drop editing mode” and “Cut and paste editing mode” and that is for good coding performance, I think. Then, if it is for coherence/consistence, as Pierre said, then I accept the new behaviour (I really like coherence), even though, as Sam said, we could save a Ctrl key. I before asked "only", if possible and more users (and Developer/s) agree with me, to reverse the Ctrl key behaviour in "Cut and editing mode", without changing the base code. I would like to add two suggestions for“Drag and Drop editing mode”, if GG/Phyllis and users, think useful like me. 1) In Timeline, when we move a clip (without select it before) a icon is showed over. Would it be possible only to show the white frame without that icon? Look at the added screencast from 0" to 8" https://streamable.com/p7sps 2) In Timeline, whenwe move a clip/s/group/s with drag&drop, if Ctrl key is pressed before drop then, alittle "copy" icon is showedand a "clone" (Copy&Paste) could be performed instead of the Move. Thanks. IgorBeg
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Andrea paz -
Igor BEGHETTO -
Phyllis Smith -
Pierre autourduglobe -
Sam