Looking into minimal alternative Shortcuts
IgorBeg, Earlier you indicated that you have a list of alternative Shortcuts that you would like to see about. When you have time, please send me this list as GG is looking into the possibility of allowing the user to choose a different set of only some. Thanks, gg/phyllis
GG/Phyllis, Yes I have a list, and my shortcuts move others in other place. In the Cin_20200831_release I see you added "Ctrl+S" shortcut with a new item on the File menu. Is not possible to add the shortcut without adding a new item t the File menu? So, you can see "Save s" (or "Save Ctrl+S" if you prefer) like you know that there is "z" and "Ctrl+Z" without to see any item. I see differents bugs in this release. I would like to see a Cinelerra-GG release with less bugs instead of more new features. Excuse me if I think so. I know that GG are doing a great effort (and job). As always I hope that the old "Move tracks Up/Down" and their shortcuts come back (returns) Thank you so much. IgorBeg Il 04/09/2020 16:55, Phyllis Smith via Cin ha scritto:
IgorBeg, Earlier you indicated that you have a list of alternative Shortcuts that you would like to see about. When you have time, please send me this list as GG is looking into the possibility of allowing the user to choose a different set of only some.
Thanks, gg/phyllis
As Igor indicates, I also think that a single option to save would be better, it could be like that. Save s or Ctrl-s
Undo z or Ctrl-z
It is true that it is better to correct known errors and refine existing tools before adding new functions. I'm still very happy with the improved rotation effect. And I take this opportunity to thank the good work that is being done with Cinelerra. El lun., 7 sept. 2020 a las 9:36, Igor BEGHETTO via Cin (< [email protected]>) escribió:
GG/Phyllis, Yes I have a list, and my shortcuts move others in other place. In the Cin_20200831_release I see you added "Ctrl+S" shortcut with a new item on the File menu. Is not possible to add the shortcut without adding a new item t the File menu? So, you can see "Save s" (or "Save Ctrl+S" if you prefer) like you know that there is "z" and "Ctrl+Z" without to see any item.
I see differents bugs in this release. I would like to see a Cinelerra-GG release with less bugs instead of more new features. Excuse me if I think so. I know that GG are doing a great effort (and job).
As always I hope that the old "Move tracks Up/Down" and their shortcuts come back (returns) Thank you so much.
IgorBeg
Il 04/09/2020 16:55, Phyllis Smith via Cin ha scritto:
IgorBeg, Earlier you indicated that you have a list of alternative Shortcuts that you would like to see about. When you have time, please send me this list as GG is looking into the possibility of allowing the user to choose a different set of only some.
Thanks, gg/phyllis
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin wrote:
As Igor indicates, I also think that a single option to save would be better, it could be like that.
Save s or Ctrl-s
Undo z or Ctrl-z
I would say, it is quite usual for a complex professional program (not some kind of Office or web browser which uses everybody, but a program which performs some rather particular task) - to have its own set of shortcuts. Such a set of shortcuts may be chosen not from the reasons of similarity to that of MS-Office or whatever, but from the reasons of conveniency and effectiveness of working with **this particular program**! For example, I have to use a program CCPNMR, to do a very complex process of NMR signals assignment in big organic molecules. The shortcut for 'Save' in this program is not 's', and not 'Ctrl-s', but surprisingly 'Shift-S'! To me, what for one must press two keys, Ctrl and 's', or Ctrl and 'z', if it is possible to press a single key 's' or 'z'? OK, it is not acceptable for a text processor, where 's' and 'z' means insert the corresponding letter, but why not for a video or photo editor where one does not input letters? I'd say, a possibility to configure different sets of shortcuts could look beautiful, but definition of shortculs most similar to that used in office software should not be a goal of highest priority... _______________________________________________________________________________ Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected] _______________________________________________________________________________
Hi Georgy, I agree with you. I think that this inclusion of these shortcuts is to facilitate the use of new users, since in computer applications Ctrl-s and Ctrl-z are very common in most of them to save and undo. I only indicated that instead of making two lines that do the same in the file menu, it would be better to make one indicating the two shortcuts. I think that a wizard to customize shortcuts is not possible in the type of language that Cinelerra uses. But I don't understand programming. Regards. El lun., 7 sept. 2020 a las 13:42, Georgy Salnikov (<[email protected]>) escribió:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin wrote:
As Igor indicates, I also think that a single option to save would be better, it could be like that.
Save s or Ctrl-s
Undo z or Ctrl-z
I would say, it is quite usual for a complex professional program (not some kind of Office or web browser which uses everybody, but a program which performs some rather particular task) - to have its own set of shortcuts. Such a set of shortcuts may be chosen not from the reasons of similarity to that of MS-Office or whatever, but from the reasons of conveniency and effectiveness of working with **this particular program**!
For example, I have to use a program CCPNMR, to do a very complex process of NMR signals assignment in big organic molecules. The shortcut for 'Save' in this program is not 's', and not 'Ctrl-s', but surprisingly 'Shift-S'!
To me, what for one must press two keys, Ctrl and 's', or Ctrl and 'z', if it is possible to press a single key 's' or 'z'? OK, it is not acceptable for a text processor, where 's' and 'z' means insert the corresponding letter, but why not for a video or photo editor where one does not input letters?
I'd say, a possibility to configure different sets of shortcuts could look beautiful, but definition of shortculs most similar to that used in office software should not be a goal of highest priority...
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Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
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Georgy, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for stating what we should not be "doing something because that is what everyone else does". Because if we all did everything the same then we would all be driving Volkswagens instead of driving what makes the most sense for us. We are only looking into the possibility of providing a workaround for mostly new users as it is already such a large learning curve to use Cinelerra. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 5:42 AM Georgy Salnikov via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin wrote:
As Igor indicates, I also think that a single option to save would be better, it could be like that.
Save s or Ctrl-s
Undo z or Ctrl-z
I would say, it is quite usual for a complex professional program (not some kind of Office or web browser which uses everybody, but a program which performs some rather particular task) - to have its own set of shortcuts. Such a set of shortcuts may be chosen not from the reasons of similarity to that of MS-Office or whatever, but from the reasons of conveniency and effectiveness of working with **this particular program**!
For example, I have to use a program CCPNMR, to do a very complex process of NMR signals assignment in big organic molecules. The shortcut for 'Save' in this program is not 's', and not 'Ctrl-s', but surprisingly 'Shift-S'!
To me, what for one must press two keys, Ctrl and 's', or Ctrl and 'z', if it is possible to press a single key 's' or 'z'? OK, it is not acceptable for a text processor, where 's' and 'z' means insert the corresponding letter, but why not for a video or photo editor where one does not input letters?
I'd say, a possibility to configure different sets of shortcuts could look beautiful, but definition of shortculs most similar to that used in office software should not be a goal of highest priority...
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Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
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Haldun, I was really intrigued by the "HeLLo EvEryBoDy" and laughed about your explanation. If you look in the File pulldown, "Save as" uses the shortcut of "Shift-S" which here in the United States is the capital S. But actually "Save as" is probably just as good as "Save" so your work will be "saved (pun intended)" in either case. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:02 AM Haldun ALTAN via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
HeLLo EvEryBoDy,
Well the upper and lowercases are in purpose :)
It happened to me to be not aware of being on uppercase and hit "S" instead of "s" and didn't realise it.
Normally it's not a probleme if you don't have any crash in the mean time. Otherwise it depends on how often you save :)
Is it an issue if we can use "s" regardless upper or lower case ?
If it is nevermind.
Otherwise, maybe putting a warning or something like "Did you mean "s" or anything else could be usefull.
Haldun. Le 07/09/2020 à 16:25, Phyllis Smith via Cin a écrit :
Georgy, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for stating what we should not be "doing something because that is what everyone else does". Because if we all did everything the same then we would all be driving Volkswagens instead of driving what makes the most sense for us. We are only looking into the possibility of providing a workaround for mostly new users as it is already such a large learning curve to use Cinelerra.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 5:42 AM Georgy Salnikov via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin wrote:
As Igor indicates, I also think that a single option to save would be better, it could be like that.
Save s or Ctrl-s
Undo z or Ctrl-z
I would say, it is quite usual for a complex professional program (not some kind of Office or web browser which uses everybody, but a program which performs some rather particular task) - to have its own set of shortcuts. Such a set of shortcuts may be chosen not from the reasons of similarity to that of MS-Office or whatever, but from the reasons of conveniency and effectiveness of working with **this particular program**!
For example, I have to use a program CCPNMR, to do a very complex process of NMR signals assignment in big organic molecules. The shortcut for 'Save' in this program is not 's', and not 'Ctrl-s', but surprisingly 'Shift-S'!
To me, what for one must press two keys, Ctrl and 's', or Ctrl and 'z', if it is possible to press a single key 's' or 'z'? OK, it is not acceptable for a text processor, where 's' and 'z' means insert the corresponding letter, but why not for a video or photo editor where one does not input letters?
I'd say, a possibility to configure different sets of shortcuts could look beautiful, but definition of shortculs most similar to that used in office software should not be a goal of highest priority...
_______________________________________________________________________________
Georgy Salnikov NMR Group Novosibirsk Institute of Organic Chemistry Lavrentjeva, 9, 630090 Novosibirsk, Russia Phone +7-383-3307864 Email [email protected]
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I think that a software must to do user's life more easy, if possible, because user will use the software. Then the question is (for all software): can Developers make the user's life more easy? If yes it is welcome. Many softwares use "Ctrl+S" to save and they are not only for Office, I think: Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, AutoCad, Blender, Solidworks, Audacity, Kdenlive, Shotcut, Adobe Premiere, and so on. It is a standard as meter is the base unit of length in the international System of Units (SI). ;-) May be that a specific software don't use "Ctrl+S" to save but, what is the reason? (I would ask to the CCPNMR Developer) Shorcuts are used to optimize your work and, if possible, shortcuts (and the position of the key on the keyboard) should be intuitive. For all NLEs there is a standard: J-K-L. For example some of my shortcuts are: ================================================= J - K - L (Play Normal reverse - Stop - Play Normal forward) if pressed twice J (or L), its Play Fast or Normal. I - O (InPoint - OutPoint) A - S (Jump backwards next cut - Jump forwards next cut) To summarize the jumps backwards and forward: ----------------------------------+-------------------+-------------------+ -Jump backwards to the next cut | Alt+LeftArrow, 'A' -Jump forwards to the next cut | Alt+RightArrow, 'S' -Jump backwards to the next label | Ctrl+LeftArrow -Jump forwards to the next label | Ctrl+RightArrow -Jump backwards... next Keyframes | Shift+LeftArrow -Jump forward... next Keyframes | Shift+RightArrow -Jump backwards to the next Autos | Ctrl+Shift+Alt+LeftArrow -Jump forward to the next Autos | Ctrl+Shift+Alt+RightArrow ----------------------------------+-------------------+-------------------+ "Shift+K" and "Ctrl+Shift+K" no longer used. ================================================= Unfortunately, I don't think that my shortcuts can be implemented in Cinelerra-GG because it means to map completely the assignement of the shortcuts. And I understand that many users (old users?) don't want to change their assignement. I understand them (I no longer have the old "Move tracks Up/Dn" and theyr shortcuts ). IgorBeg
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Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux