Hello, I wanted to ask the veteran Cinelerra users a question to see if there is any way that the subtitles can be seen in the composition viewer. [image: cinSubtitles.png] thanks.
RafaMar, Not sure if this is clear in the manual, but subtitles are ONLY implemented with creating DVD media so they do not show in the Compositor or regular rendering. There has been little interest in this methodology as far as I am aware. BT #280 is a feature request to implement usage of a commonly used ".srt" input file On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:11 PM Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux < [email protected]> wrote:
Hello, I wanted to ask the veteran Cinelerra users a question to see if there is any way that the subtitles can be seen in the composition viewer. [image: cinSubtitles.png] thanks. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
It is very common to put subtitles on the videos, there are several users who have asked me about this subject in Cinelerra, I tell them to do it with the title effect. Cinelerra's assistant, when understood, turns out to be up to good, but the fact that they are not seen on the composition monitor is confusing, and the one that does not have an option to print these in the render, is also a shame. Although the latter is very easy to do later with ffmpeg. Things that I do not understand: 1. Why are they not displayed in the composer? 2. Why .udvd and not .srt or .ass? Although this point is also irrelevant since it is very easy from .udvd to convert it into .srt or .ass with ffmpeg. DVDs are a thing of the past ... but subtitles are NOT, these are used a lot today. I notice that most people want them printed in the video, it would be great a script that would allow you to convert a subtitle track into a track with the effect of titles and these will be seen in the render. The .udvd file is a very good option too, to have the optional subtitles, and even more so with how easy it is to convert .udvd to .srt or .ass with ffmpeg. Thank you so much. Regards. El lun., 29 jun. 2020 a las 1:01, Phyllis Smith (<[email protected]>) escribió:
RafaMar, Not sure if this is clear in the manual, but subtitles are ONLY implemented with creating DVD media so they do not show in the Compositor or regular rendering. There has been little interest in this methodology as far as I am aware.
BT #280 is a feature request to implement usage of a commonly used ".srt" input file
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 3:11 PM Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux < [email protected]> wrote:
Hello, I wanted to ask the veteran Cinelerra users a question to see if there is any way that the subtitles can be seen in the composition viewer. [image: cinSubtitles.png] thanks. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
RafaMar - all very good questions. 1. Why are they not displayed in the composer?
Simply because it takes time to code this. When GG implemented this, he calculated the programmer's time in hours to add the subtitle track, then calculated how much time it would save if used, and figured out that it would take xxx hours to implement and would only save xx hours. So it did not make sense to say, "spend 20 hours to program and save 2 hours of usage time".
2. Why .udvd and not .srt or .ass? Although this point is also irrelevant since it is very easy from .udvd to convert it into .srt or .ass with ffmpeg.
The only reason for .udvd is simply because he needed it to make a DVD for his own viewing and needed subtitles to understand the words for a musical. At the time no user requested this feature.
DVDs are a thing of the past ... but subtitles are NOT, these are used a lot today. I notice that most people want them printed in the video, it would be great a script that would allow you to convert a subtitle track into a track with the effect of titles and these will be seen in the render. The .udvd file is a very good option too, to have the optional subtitles, and even more so with how easy it is to convert .udvd to .srt or .ass with ffmpeg.
I am going to add these suggestions to BT #282 as I did not know that ffmpeg made it possible to convert from .udvd to .srt. That might make implementation of this a whole lot easier. It could be as simple as adding a script to the "shell cmds" - something similar to RenderMux.
Subtitles are not embedded in your video then, like you (RafaMar), I use Title effect to do subtitles that are "printed" in rendering. Sometime I use "Kitone SubTitleEditor" to do subtitle. IgorBeg
Hello and thanks Phyllis and Igor, I find the Cinelerra subtitle editor very good, even much better than many applications dedicated to the exclusive creation of subtitles. Only I miss being able to see these in the preview, but hey, you can work perfectly with them and I do not think it is necessary to see them either. To convert .udvd to .srt or .ass is as simple as: ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.srt or ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.ass without any problem. my favorite is .ass because you can easily customize how they will look. What I think needs to be improved is the wizard to load or save to navigate to where the file is to load or save... it is a bit tedious to have to enter the path by hand. I know this is a copy and paste of the address, but this for a beginning person is a difficulty. Thank you both very much for the interest. El lun., 29 jun. 2020 a las 9:55, Igor BEGHETTO (<[email protected]>) escribió:
Subtitles are not embedded in your video then, like you (RafaMar), I use Title effect to do subtitles that are "printed" in rendering. Sometime I use "Kitone SubTitleEditor" to do subtitle.
IgorBeg -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
To convert .udvd to .srt or .ass is as simple as: ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.srt or ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.ass without any problem. Thanks RafaMar! That is useful for me. I will wrote on my Notes.
What I think needs to be improved is the wizard to load or save to navigate to where the file is to load or save... it is a bit tedious to have to enter the path by hand. I know this is a copy and paste of the address, but this for a beginning person is a difficulty. I agree. If possible, it would be better to have. Thanks!
IgorBeg
thank you very much Igor. El mar., 30 jun. 2020 a las 9:11, Igor BEGHETTO (<[email protected]>) escribió:
To convert .udvd to .srt or .ass is as simple as: ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.srt or ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.ass without any problem. Thanks RafaMar! That is useful for me. I will wrote on my Notes.
What I think needs to be improved is the wizard to load or save to navigate to where the file is to load or save... it is a bit tedious to have to enter the path by hand. I know this is a copy and paste of the address, but this for a beginning person is a difficulty. I agree. If possible, it would be better to have. Thanks!
IgorBeg -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
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