IgorBeg did a great job of revising the Proxy section of the manual. I have put it in Latex, see if that works for you. I take this opportunity to remind you that the CinGG manual is a "work in progress", if you would like to help revise and improve it, you are welcome. PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes.
Thanks Andrea! Because my English is very bad, could you, Phyllis, take a look at it, please? Sorry, thist is another job on your shoulders. If You (all) think some sentences are wrong you are free to change. Maybe (sure) I missed something. Thanks. No credit in the Manual for me, please. IgorBeg Il 06/01/2023 18:08, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes.
"If you change anything in a Nested clip using the Open EDL feature, you must first delete delete its old proxy file from disk, because it is not updated automatically, and then enable Proxy again for the new one to be created." double delete can be deleted. Also, I think ETA in our case means Estimated Time of Arrival (imagine your item travels via train ...) On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:26 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Andrea! Because my English is very bad, could you, Phyllis, take a look at it, please? Sorry, thist is another job on your shoulders. If You (all) think some sentences are wrong you are free to change. Maybe (sure) I missed something. Thanks. No credit in the Manual for me, please.
IgorBeg
Il 06/01/2023 18:08, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Checked into GIT after proof-reading the english, IgorB's revised Proxy. I am glad he took on this challenge because the Proxy chapter just got thrown into the manual and added onto without much cohesiveness. Based on the Latex ready version Andrea provided, I did make a number of changes to make it more readable but did not alter the contents. I attempted to upload this to streamable.com so IgorB could review it, but it would not let me. Maybe Andrea can check the chapter out of GIT and upload it somewhere? A couple of questions: 1) Why is "Rescaled" not recommended for small computers? 2) What is meant by "a workaround is needed for that", referring to Plugin problem with "Rescaled" 3) Because of the very nice State table, I did delete the following as I thought it was redundant with the table: "For both Cakewalk and Neophyte the icon for Proxy is the "Ps": the "P" is green when proxy is active and red when it is disabled; the "s" is white when the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked and red when unchecked. For all the other themes when Proxy is enabled and the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked a white "S" is shown, and a white "P" when unchecked; if Proxy is disabled the icon, "S" or "P", is grayed." Let me know if I should put it back. Also, if Andrea has time, could you try to create the Picture in s Picture that IgorB demonstrated in the Forum. I was not successful and now @Jin has added more confusion. It would be nice to put PiP in the manual too. On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:26 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Andrea! Because my English is very bad, could you, Phyllis, take a look at it, please? Sorry, thist is another job on your shoulders. If You (all) think some sentences are wrong you are free to change. Maybe (sure) I missed something. Thanks. No credit in the Manual for me, please.
IgorBeg
Il 06/01/2023 18:08, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
ср, 11 янв. 2023 г., 04:13 Phyllis Smith via Cin <[email protected]
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Checked into GIT after proof-reading the english, IgorB's revised Proxy. I am glad he took on this challenge because the Proxy chapter just got thrown into the manual and added onto without much cohesiveness. Based on the Latex ready version Andrea provided, I did make a number of changes to make it more readable but did not alter the contents. I attempted to upload this to streamable.com so IgorB could review it, but it would not let me. Maybe Andrea can check the chapter out of GIT and upload it somewhere?
A couple of questions: 1) Why is "Rescaled" not recommended for small computers?
I guess because compositing or otherwise manipulating full-res pictures from even small (easily-decode-able) proxies still tax cpu/memory ...? 2) What is meant by "a workaround is needed for that", referring to Plugin
problem with "Rescaled" 3) Because of the very nice State table, I did delete the following as I thought it was redundant with the table: "For both Cakewalk and Neophyte the icon for Proxy is the "Ps": the "P" is green when proxy is active and red when it is disabled; the "s" is white when the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked and red when unchecked. For all the other themes when Proxy is enabled and the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked a white "S" is shown, and a white "P" when unchecked; if Proxy is disabled the icon, "S" or "P", is grayed." Let me know if I should put it back.
Also, if Andrea has time, could you try to create the Picture in s Picture that IgorB demonstrated in the Forum. I was not successful and now @Jin has added more confusion. It would be nice to put PiP in the manual too.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:26 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Andrea! Because my English is very bad, could you, Phyllis, take a look at it, please? Sorry, thist is another job on your shoulders. If You (all) think some sentences are wrong you are free to change. Maybe (sure) I missed something. Thanks. No credit in the Manual for me, please.
IgorBeg
Il 06/01/2023 18:08, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
The 6 proxy sections that IgorB totally reworked can be temporarily checked at: https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/proxy1.html and proxy2.html, ...proxy6.html in case I incorrectly changed something Also, as Andrew pointed out ETA stands for Estimated Time of Arrival, but perhaps that was not the best usage within the code so I just rewrote as Estimated Time of Completion". On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 6:12 PM Phyllis Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
Checked into GIT after proof-reading the english, IgorB's revised Proxy. I am glad he took on this challenge because the Proxy chapter just got thrown into the manual and added onto without much cohesiveness. Based on the Latex ready version Andrea provided, I did make a number of changes to make it more readable but did not alter the contents. I attempted to upload this to streamable.com so IgorB could review it, but it would not let me. Maybe Andrea can check the chapter out of GIT and upload it somewhere?
A couple of questions: 1) Why is "Rescaled" not recommended for small computers? 2) What is meant by "a workaround is needed for that", referring to Plugin problem with "Rescaled" 3) Because of the very nice State table, I did delete the following as I thought it was redundant with the table: "For both Cakewalk and Neophyte the icon for Proxy is the "Ps": the "P" is green when proxy is active and red when it is disabled; the "s" is white when the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked and red when unchecked. For all the other themes when Proxy is enabled and the \texttt{Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only)} is checked a white "S" is shown, and a white "P" when unchecked; if Proxy is disabled the icon, "S" or "P", is grayed." Let me know if I should put it back.
Also, if Andrea has time, could you try to create the Picture in s Picture that IgorB demonstrated in the Forum. I was not successful and now @Jin has added more confusion. It would be nice to put PiP in the manual too.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:26 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Andrea! Because my English is very bad, could you, Phyllis, take a look at it, please? Sorry, thist is another job on your shoulders. If You (all) think some sentences are wrong you are free to change. Maybe (sure) I missed something. Thanks. No credit in the Manual for me, please.
IgorBeg
Il 06/01/2023 18:08, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
PS: I am also attaching Igor's odt version so you can all read it and see the nice work done and also propose changes. -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
I attach a txt file for those who want to review it. It is plain text.
Thanks you, Andrea_paz, Phyllis, Andrew! I have yet to read your changes. I need time, sorry. Phyllis wrote:
1) Why is "Rescaled" not recommended for small computers? This makes me think that it is not written clear enough.
Phyllis wrote:
2) What is meant by "a workaround is needed for that", referring to Plugin problem with "Rescaled" When Rescaled to project size (FFMPEG only) is UNchecked, you can not to use the Title or Sketcher plugins, for example. You have to use a workaround; You can see an example in "Animated Split Screens" tutorial ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqJnHLmj6s ) from 1m:56s, where I use the Cinelerra-GG Snapshot feature to "convert" the white line to a PNG. Sometimes you have to use Inkscape to create Title and exporting it to PNG that you load in Cinelerra-GG, instead of using Title plugin.
Phyllis wrote:
3) Because of the very nice State table, I did delete the following as I thought it was redundant with the table: The table was drawn after I wrote the text because I thought it was more immediate to understand but I don't know if you could create it in LaTex.
I read the proxy version by Phyllis (html) and Andrea (odt). Sorry for the extra work. (and for my bad English,... thanks Phyllis for that; I think my English teacher would have rated my exercise 4/10). :'-( Yesterday I was working on the update version by Phyllis and Andrea using LibreOffice-Writer with its Record changes feature only to add a little thing. But I think it is better if I write here because I do not know how/where to insert it. It is about "You should always save your project with the Proxy disabled" and "A good idea to... README file" in the Using proxy subchapter. I would like to write: Some Projects may use different Proxy settings. If you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them for save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings has changed. Thanks! IgorBeg
IgorB, thanks for proofreading and providing feedback. Here are 4 revised sections (changed part is in the color red): In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time. But for old computers checking Rescaled to project size is not recommended; again due to requiring more CPU. A workaround is needed for that - you can see an example in the tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqJnHLmj6s at 1m:56s where the Snapshot feature is used to "convert" the white line to a PNG. Or another workaround is to use Inkscape to create a title and export it to PNG that you load instead of using the Title plugin. A good idea is to record this information in a README file about your project where you make a note of your Proxy settings for that project. This is especially important because some Projects may use different Proxy settings and if you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them to save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings have changed. On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 8:47 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
I read the proxy version by Phyllis (html) and Andrea (odt). Sorry for the extra work. (and for my bad English,... thanks Phyllis for that; I think my English teacher would have rated my exercise 4/10). :'-(
Yesterday I was working on the update version by Phyllis and Andrea using LibreOffice-Writer with its Record changes feature only to add a little thing. But I think it is better if I write here because I do not know how/where to insert it. It is about "You should always save your project with the Proxy disabled" and "A good idea to... README file" in the Using proxy subchapter.
I would like to write: Some Projects may use different Proxy settings. If you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them for save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings has changed.
Thanks!
IgorBeg
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Very good, Phyllis! Thanks! Three things: - I don't know if it is a good to put a link to a video on Youtube. Are there other external links in the Manual? - About "ETA". Because it is an acronym, can we put "Estimate Time of Arrival" or something else for the "A" letter and in round brackets "estimated time of completion"? - In the sencence below I would delete the word "scaled" (blue colour). =================== In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time. =================== Thanks! IgorBeg Il 17/01/2023 19:26, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB, thanks for proofreading and providing feedback. Here are 4 revised sections (changed part is in the color red):
In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time.
But for old computers checking Rescaled to project size is not recommended; again due to requiring more CPU.
A workaround is needed for that - you can see an example in the tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqJnHLmj6s at 1m:56s where the Snapshot feature is used to "convert" the white line to a PNG. Or another workaround is to use Inkscape to create a title and export it to PNG that you load instead of using the Title plugin.
A good idea is to record this information in a README file about your project where you make a note of your Proxy settings for that project. This is especially important because some Projects may use different Proxy settings and if you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them to save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings have changed.
Very good, Phyllis! Thanks! Three things: - I don't know if it is a good to put a link to a video on Youtube. Are there other external links in the Manual? - About "ETA". Because it is an acronym, can we put "Estimate Time of Arrival" or something else for the "A" letter and in round brackets "estimated time of completion"? - In the sencence below I would delete the word "scaled" (blue colour). =================== In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time. =================== Thanks! IgorBeg PS: sorry for the duplicate email. Missing Colours. Il 17/01/2023 19:26, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB, thanks for proofreading and providing feedback. Here are 4 revised sections (changed part is in the color red):
In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time.
But for old computers checking Rescaled to project size is not recommended; again due to requiring more CPU.
A workaround is needed for that - you can see an example in the tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqJnHLmj6s at 1m:56s where the Snapshot feature is used to "convert" the white line to a PNG. Or another workaround is to use Inkscape to create a title and export it to PNG that you load instead of using the Title plugin.
A good idea is to record this information in a README file about your project where you make a note of your Proxy settings for that project. This is especially important because some Projects may use different Proxy settings and if you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them to save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings have changed.
IgorB, I made the 3 changes and checked into GIT. 1) removed youtube reference and just left if to do workaround with Inkscape instead of using Title. 2) removed the word "scaled" which was in the color blue 3) corrected ETA to be "Estimated Time of Arrival (completion) On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:38 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Very good, Phyllis! Thanks! Three things: - I don't know if it is a good to put a link to a video on Youtube. Are there other external links in the Manual? - About "ETA". Because it is an acronym, can we put "Estimate Time of Arrival" or something else for the "A" letter and in round brackets "estimated time of completion"? - In the sencence below I would delete the word "scaled" (blue colour). =================== In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time. =================== Thanks!
IgorBeg
PS: sorry for the duplicate email. Missing Colours.
Il 17/01/2023 19:26, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB, thanks for proofreading and providing feedback. Here are 4 revised sections (changed part is in the color red):
In addition you can modify values for that codec by clicking on the wrench icon. Once you have created a scaled proxy file, it will be reused and does not have to be created again as long as you do not change certain parameters. This saves a lot of CPU time.
But for old computers checking Rescaled to project size is not recommended; again due to requiring more CPU.
A workaround is needed for that - you can see an example in the tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCqJnHLmj6s at 1m:56s where the Snapshot feature is used to "convert" the white line to a PNG. Or another workaround is to use Inkscape to create a title and export it to PNG that you load instead of using the Title plugin.
A good idea is to record this information in a README file about your project where you make a note of your Proxy settings for that project. This is especially important because some Projects may use different Proxy settings and if you load a project where the Proxy is set and disabled, it could use a different setting because you changed the Proxy settings in a project you were working on before. If in that Project its proxy files were not deleted and you want to reuse them to save time, unfortunately they will be created again because the proxy settings have changed.
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Phyllis, thank you! Phyllis/Andrea_paz, Could you export a PDF of just the Proxy section of the manual, please? I would liketo see the text formatting. Eventually I will wait the end of the month when the new manual will be "printed". Thanks! IgorBeg Il 18/01/2023 19:04, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB, I made the 3 changes and checked into GIT. 1) removed youtube reference and just left if to do workaround with Inkscape instead of using Title. 2) removed the word "scaled" which was in the color blue 3) corrected ETA to be "Estimated Time of Arrival (completion)
Thanks , Andrea_paz! Il 21/01/2023 15:22, Andrea paz ha scritto:
I have uploaded the pdf here: https://ufile.io/uyze5mq4
Andrea_paz, Phyllis, using the Andrea's PDF I write on it some suggestions. I hope it is understandable. My PDF is a raster image of original PDF by Andrea because I don't have the font that it uses. Link to https://transfer.sh/t114QG/CinGG_Manual_Proxy.pdf Thanks! PS: I understand your good intentions but could you delete my name from the Manual, please? (I am already part of the community) Thanks!
Nice work @IgorBeg.Thanks for the corrections. I put the link to download the latex and also the pdf of the proxy section so you can see it right away: https://ufile.io/0g9vqrx6
IgorB, AndreaPaz: Thanks for the updates and getting it into Latex. It is checked into GIT. I have deleted the only reference in the manual I could find for IgorB - which was in AUTHORS. On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 1:40 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Andrea_paz, Phyllis, using the Andrea's PDF I write on it some suggestions. I hope it is understandable. My PDF is a raster image of original PDF by Andrea because I don't have the font that it uses. Link to https://transfer.sh/t114QG/CinGG_Manual_Proxy.pdf Thanks!
PS: I understand your good intentions but could you delete my name from the Manual, please? (I am already part of the community) Thanks!
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Thanks Andrea_paz! It is perfect but I missed a thing below the table (the caption), sorry. Delete the text "Table:" in "Table 6.1: Table: list States of the Proxy icon".
I have deleted the only reference in the manual I could find for IgorB - which was in AUTHORS. Thanks Phyllis!
IgorB, Andrea, I made the correction. It is great to have a section that has been well revised and thoroughly read over to make it perfect. Maybe over the years, we can do this with other sections but it is pretty overwhelming now with 764 pages. On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 1:40 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Andrea_paz! It is perfect but I missed a thing below the table (the caption), sorry. Delete the text "Table:" in "Table 6.1: Table: list States of the Proxy icon".
I have deleted the only reference in the manual I could find for IgorB - which was in AUTHORS. Thanks Phyllis! -- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Well done, Phyllis! Thanks! Soon the Manual will reach the same number of pages as "The Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien. ;-) Il 26/01/2023 17:12, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB, Andrea, I made the correction. It is great to have a section that has been well revised and thoroughly read over to make it perfect. Maybe over the years, we can do this with other sections but it is pretty overwhelming now with 764 pages.
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