Re: [Cin] DV50 - the forgotten optimal codec for digitizing analog Hi8/S-video ?
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions: A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before? dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50 Shift P: FFMPEG mov Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording r(ecording) Start record: cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........ DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV -------------------- ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882% frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x -------- du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov ----- ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0 -------------- mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100 Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin < [email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles. try and tell us now it works?
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt try it?
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
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ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
--------
du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
-----
ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
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mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
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Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <[email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2 As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target cat dvd.dvd dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000 --------------------------
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;) I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui) cat dv_pal.qt mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps ---------- Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git ------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?) 720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording r(ecording) Start record: DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device ----------- And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :) --------- ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0] -------- mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%) Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
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ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
--------
du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
-----
ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
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mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
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чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 23:33 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin < [email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html
In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target
*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in preset.
cat dvd.dvd
dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000
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dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;)
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui)
cat dv_pal.qt
mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps
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Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git
------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt
Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p
Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?)
720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :)
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ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]
--------
mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%)
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
--------------------
ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
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du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
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ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
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mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
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Den 13.06.2025 05:37, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 23:33 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <[email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html
In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target
*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in preset.
cat dvd.dvd
dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000
--------------------------
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;)
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui)
cat dv_pal.qt
mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps
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Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git <http://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git>
------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt
Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p
Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?)
720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :)
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ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]
--------
A dv vs dv50 squiz: DV: yuv420(pal) - ca, 25Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS DV50; yuv422 - ca 50Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS I have also read that DV50 may be interpreted as 2 DV streams in parallell. But what happened by selecting framerate 50 fps in CinGG, when ffprobe above say 57600 kb/s, 50 fps and mediainfo below say Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Bit rate (video) : 24.4 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Is the latter Separated fields 2 interlaced fields each odd and even lines that simulates a progressive 50 FPS video?
mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%)
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
--------------------
ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
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du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
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ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
--------------
mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
сб, 14 июн. 2025 г., 00:48 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 13.06.2025 05:37, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 23:33 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin < [email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html
In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target
*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in preset.
cat dvd.dvd
dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000
--------------------------
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;)
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui)
cat dv_pal.qt
mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps
----------
Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git
------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt
Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p
Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?)
720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
-----------
And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :)
---------
ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]
--------
A dv vs dv50 squiz:
DV: yuv420(pal) - ca, 25Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS DV50; yuv422 - ca 50Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS
I have also read that DV50 may be interpreted as 2 DV streams in parallell.
But what happened by selecting framerate 50 fps in CinGG, when
ffprobe above say 57600 kb/s, 50 fps
and mediainfo below say
Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Bit rate (video) : 24.4 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block)
Is the latter Separated fields 2 interlaced fields each odd and even lines that simulates a progressive 50 FPS video?
sorry, no idea here. Depend on your source and Project settings it probably still means interlaced, because we do not do auto-deinterlacing, or fields to frames conversion. Watch output file frame by frame, I think it will remain interlaced.
mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%)
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
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ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
--------
du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
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ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
--------------
mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Den 13.06.2025 23:53, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
сб, 14 июн. 2025 г., 00:48 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 13.06.2025 05:37, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 23:33 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <[email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html
In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target
*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in preset.
cat dvd.dvd
dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000
--------------------------
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;)
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui)
cat dv_pal.qt
mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps
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Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git <http://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git>
------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt
Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p
Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?)
720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :)
---------
ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]
--------
A dv vs dv50 squiz:
DV: yuv420(pal) - ca, 25Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS DV50; yuv422 - ca 50Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS
I have also read that DV50 may be interpreted as 2 DV streams in parallell.
But what happened by selecting framerate 50 fps in CinGG, when
ffprobe above say 57600 kb/s, 50 fps
and mediainfo below say
Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Bit rate (video) : 24.4 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block)
Is the latter Separated fields 2 interlaced fields each odd and even lines that simulates a progressive 50 FPS video?
sorry, no idea here.
Depend on your source and Project settings it probably still means interlaced, because we do not do auto-deinterlacing, or fields to frames conversion.
Watch output file frame by frame, I think it will remain interlaced.
Yes, I stepped frame by frame with VLC, but as this was a rather static video recorded with the camera on a fixed table stand, I have to wait until I later to try playback of real things with movments. My camcorder sources are all 50i no doubt. What confuse this workflow, is the ms2130 capture card that captures progressively, not 25fps but 50fps as actual in this case. And next the dvvideo codec is fundamentally interlaced. So when mediainfo say 50 fps and scan type/store method is separated 2 fields per block, the remaining doubt is if this in effect will be 100i fields in sequence or make possible "parallell fields playback/displaying at once" (dependent of devices) .... Or said in another way, while dv50 no doubt offers better color 422 recording than DV, the doubt is if the 100Mbit/s+ bit rate offers no benefits but waste of space, compared with plain dv50 at 50Mbit/s fps (though unobtainable here)....
mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%)
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
--------------------
ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
--------
du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
-----
ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
--------------
mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
Den 14.06.2025 12:54, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
Den 13.06.2025 23:53, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
сб, 14 июн. 2025 г., 00:48 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 13.06.2025 05:37, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 23:33 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:
Den 12.06.2025 19:01, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
чт, 12 июн. 2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <[email protected]>:
I have made another working ffmpeg command line without "-target pal-dv50" as seen below, and tried here to make a video preset for CinGG , but got errors and have questions:
A related example: Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have used with ffmpeg before?
I am not sure if this is 'composite' command line switch for ffmpeg as command line application or you can use it in our profiles.
try and tell us now it works?
Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen": -f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd -trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related "-f dvd -target pal-dvd" https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg05766.html
In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd target
*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in preset.
cat dvd.dvd
dvd mpeg2video s 720x480 r 30000/1001 pixel_format yuv420p g 18 maxrate 9000000 minrate 0 bufsize 1835008 packetsize 2048 cin_bitrate=8000000
--------------------------
dv50_pal.mov mov dvvideo # cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p # cin_scale=720x576 # r=50
there is
ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt
try it?
Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting and promising ;)
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it. Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not qt gui)
cat dv_pal.qt
mov dvvideo cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p field_order=bb # 720x576, 25 fps
----------
Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git <http://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git>
------- Shift P: FFMPEG qt
Audio wrench: pcm_s16le Video wrench: dv_pal.qt yuv422p
Video4Linux /dev/video0 30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should it be set to 50fps?)
720 x 576 50.000 frame rate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device
-----------
And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000 Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also looks promising :)
---------
ffprobe -hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.1.100 Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116736 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]
--------
A dv vs dv50 squiz:
DV: yuv420(pal) - ca, 25Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS DV50; yuv422 - ca 50Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS
I have also read that DV50 may be interpreted as 2 DV streams in parallell.
But what happened by selecting framerate 50 fps in CinGG, when
ffprobe above say 57600 kb/s, 50 fps
and mediainfo below say
Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Bit rate (video) : 24.4 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block)
Is the latter Separated fields 2 interlaced fields each odd and even lines that simulates a progressive 50 FPS video?
sorry, no idea here.
Depend on your source and Project settings it probably still means interlaced, because we do not do auto-deinterlacing, or fields to frames conversion.
Watch output file frame by frame, I think it will remain interlaced.
Yes, I stepped frame by frame with VLC, but as this was a rather static video recorded with the camera on a fixed table stand, I have to wait until I later to try playback of real things with movments.
My camcorder sources are all 50i no doubt. What confuse this workflow, is the ms2130 capture card that captures progressively, not 25fps but 50fps as actual in this case. And next the dvvideo codec is fundamentally interlaced.
So when mediainfo say 50 fps and scan type/store method is separated 2 fields per block, the remaining doubt is if this in effect will be 100i fields in sequence or make possible "parallell fields playback/displaying at once" (dependent of devices) ....
Or said in another way, while dv50 no doubt offers better color 422 recording than DV, the doubt is if the 100Mbit/s+ bit rate offers no benefits but waste of space, compared with plain dv50 at 50Mbit/s fps (though unobtainable here)....
Or jump to and continue with what I first thought; keep it progressive in output, That is find, customize or make a new mpeg2sd422p preset based on 422P@ML 720 × 480 30 4:2:2 50 Sony IMX <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacam#MPEG_IMX> (I only), Broadcast Contribution <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_contribution> (I&P only) 720 × 576 25
mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt General Complete name : Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 154 MiB Duration : 11 s 60 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.1.100 FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 11 s 60 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Interlaced !!? Scan type, store method : Separated fields (2 fields per block) Scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 32.2 MiB (21%)
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 11 s 42 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 2.02 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
Shift P: FFMPEG mov
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find simple pcm_s16le and tried dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and disabled it Video wrench: dv50p.mov
Video4Linux /dev/video0 50 frames to record at a time 720 x 576 50.000 frame reate for recording
r(ecording) Start record:
cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025 05:16:59 ........
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): mismatch audio/video file format: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: Inappropriate ioctl for device [AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0] Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov' is not known. int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*): failed: /home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480" v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV
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ffmpeg -hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f alsa -ch_layout stereo -i hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from '/dev/video0': Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207, bitrate: 1990656 kb/s Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0': Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo (native) -> dvvideo (native)) Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy) Press [q] to stop, [?] for help [dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left chroma location is supported in DV, input value is: unspecified ---- frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size= 135168KiB time=00:00:09.50 bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94 speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700] video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize= 142539KiB time=00:00:10.00 bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98 speed=0.999x
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du -sh dv* 140M dv_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov 140M dv_r50+pcm.mov
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ffprobe -hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'dv_r50+pcm.mov': Metadata: major_brand : qt minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: qt encoder : Lavf61.7.100 Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 116749 kb/s Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p / 0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler vendor_id : FFMP encoder : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt / 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : SoundHandler vendor_id : [0][0][0][0
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mediainfo dv_r50+pcm.mov General Complete name : dv_r50+pcm.mov Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : QuickTime Codec ID : qt 0000.02 (qt ) File size : 139 MiB Duration : 10 s 2 ms Overall bit rate mode : Constant Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Writing application : Lavf61.7.100
Video ID : 1 Format : DV Codec ID : dv5p Duration : 10 s 0 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s Width : 720 pixels Height : 576 pixels Display aspect ratio : 4:3 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Original scan type : Interlaced Original scan order : Bottom Field First Compression mode : Lossy Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179 Stream size : 29.1 MiB (21%) Writing library : Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo
Audio ID : 2 Format : PCM Format settings : Little / Signed Codec ID : sowt Duration : 10 s 2 ms Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Bit depth : 16 bits Stream size : 1.83 MiB (1%) Default : Yes Alternate group : 1
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Andrew Randrianasulu -
Terje J. Hanssen