@Andrew
@Andrea, for some reason I can't download attaches from forum (because I have no login there?), can you add CMS.txt as attachment to email (again)?
I'm opening a new email because color has nothing to do with the Vdpau/Vaapi issues. It was just an attempt to put together all the information on how CinGG treats color. Lately I found emails from Hermann Vosseler that are very indicative. However, the fact remains that each plugins of CinGG treats the color in its own way, so we should find a way to understand how all the native plugins act, one by one (if I'm not mistaken, the plugins of ffmpeg clip everything to 8-bit and sRGB). Only with this information can we reconstruct a chain of steps that accounts for color transformations and, perhaps, keep them under control. Sorry, I've been pushing too much color lately, it's best to let it go. Hermann already knew in 2012 that it was not possible to treat it in CinCV and that's also why he went for Lumiera.
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 10:44 AM Andrea paz via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
@Andrew
@Andrea, for some reason I can't download attaches from forum (because I have no login there?), can you add CMS.txt as attachment to email (again)?
I'm opening a new email because color has nothing to do with the Vdpau/Vaapi issues. It was just an attempt to put together all the information on how CinGG treats color. Lately I found emails from Hermann Vosseler that are very indicative. However, the fact remains that each plugins of CinGG treats the color in its own way, so we should find a way to understand how all the native plugins act, one by one (if I'm not mistaken, the plugins of ffmpeg clip everything to 8-bit and sRGB). Only with this information can we reconstruct a chain of steps that accounts for color transformations and, perhaps, keep them under control.
In my case the flut3d plugin appears to use 32 bit float and the color space should be in the LUT. I don't see color issues with it. Some other plugins result in bad banding, but I'm not sure I am using them correctly. More information about how color is used would be helpful. I'm try to determine a workflow with 10 bit f-log input and some version of 10 bit HDR output. Regards, Mark
On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, Mark Goldberg via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 10:44 AM Andrea paz via Cin < [email protected]> wrote:
@Andrew
@Andrea, for some reason I can't download attaches from forum (because I have no login there?), can you add CMS.txt as attachment to email (again)?
I'm opening a new email because color has nothing to do with the Vdpau/Vaapi issues. It was just an attempt to put together all the information on how CinGG treats color. Lately I found emails from Hermann Vosseler that are very indicative. However, the fact remains that each plugins of CinGG treats the color in its own way, so we should find a way to understand how all the native plugins act, one by one (if I'm not mistaken, the plugins of ffmpeg clip everything to 8-bit and sRGB). Only with this information can we reconstruct a chain of steps that accounts for color transformations and, perhaps, keep them under control.
In my case the flut3d plugin appears to use 32 bit float and the color space should be in the LUT.
there was patch on ffmpeg-devel, for adding x86 optimizations to lut3d https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg126261.html not sure if this patch was integrated into 5.0 or not (we use 4.4 + patches) ah, it is in git https://git.ffmpeg.org/gitweb/ffmpeg.git/commit/716b39674059d5b416faef92afd4...
I don't see color issues with it. Some other plugins result in bad banding, but I'm not sure I am using them correctly. More information about how color is used would be helpful. I'm try to determine a workflow with 10 bit f-log input and some version of 10 bit HDR output.
Regards,
Mark
On Monday, January 17, 2022, Andrea paz via Cin <[email protected]> wrote:
@Andrew
@Andrea, for some reason I can't download attaches from forum (because I have no login there?), can you add CMS.txt as attachment to email (again)?
I'm opening a new email because color has nothing to do with the Vdpau/Vaapi issues. It was just an attempt to put together all the information on how CinGG treats color. Lately I found emails from Hermann Vosseler that are very indicative. However, the fact remains that each plugins of CinGG treats the color in its own way, so we should find a way to understand how all the native plugins act, one by one (if I'm not mistaken, the plugins of ffmpeg clip everything to 8-bit and sRGB). Only with this information can we reconstruct a chain of steps that accounts for color transformations and, perhaps, keep them under control.
Sorry, I've been pushing too much color lately, it's best to let it go.
no problem, this is complex (and math intensive) problem, so re-visiting it from time to time hopefully provided some ideas/foundation for making it reality! offtop: forum thread on colorsync in Final Cut Pro X (~2011) http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/09/fcp-x-color-management-secret/
Hermann already knew in 2012 that it was not possible to treat it in CinCV and that's also why he went for Lumiera.
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Mark Goldberg