Thanks Rafa, I finally figured it out, so I bothered you unnecessarily. I agree with what Ugin says: whoever approaches CinGG must immediately see its potential and specificity, otherwise, for basilar things, it will never be as attractive as Premiere Pro-like programs. In private e-mails with IgorBeg there was a discussion about the need to agree between users and create targeted and well realized tutorials. I don't know how feasible this proposal is. If someone has new ideas, this is the right thread to propose them.

Cinelerra is very powerful, but not very intuitive. There is no way to think about the beginnings to see the problems. My opinion is that there are mainly three things that scare new users away. The interface, people nowadays don't like interfaces with different windows. It doesn't bother me, but I think it would be much easier to capture new users with a single window interface. The upload wizard, which mixes the upload of projects with that of multimedia files. The first times I tried to work with Cinelerra here I was already very stuck. I think this that I am commenting on now has scared away more people than the interface of different windows. It is absurd to try to load a file and put it on the timeline ... nobody expects this result. In fact I do not see that in other applications this is so. And what do people do, they spend half an hour fighting with this, they install another editor that does not believe this early problem and they quickly forget about Cinelerra, leaving the name of Cinelerra in their subconscious as something bad, something to avoid. And the third point, file browsers, are missing a favorites panel, to go quickly from one folder to another. Summary. Gimp today offers the possibility of working with panels or using a single window. Would it be easy to implement this in Cinelerra? Modern interfaces are like this, see professional applications or even free ones like Olive, Kdenlive ... etc ... Make an assistant for loading projects and another for loading media. Totally independent, because this is what most people have driven away from Cinelerra. Add a panel in the navigation windows that integrates with the system folders and your favorites, or failing that, a panel where you can put your favorites. Of all these points, the one that seems to me that it would be more important to change urgently so as not to scare new users away is the media loading assistant. That I think this does not mean that these things should be changed, but I am convinced that if it were done, or had already been done, Cinelerra would have many more users. What good is having the best motion tracking plugin if people get stuck in the media upload wizard? I myself if I had not seen a video that explained how to upload a file in the Resources window, I think that today I still would not have succeeded, and it is sad that such a powerful application has these assistants so illogical and not imitated by nobody. Renewed or die. Regards. I continue with my basic tutorials, because I am still discovering Cinelerra. El jue., 21 may. 2020 a las 20:15, Phyllis Smith (<[email protected]>) escribió:

Like Andrea already said, I too agree with Ugin as far as "no yawning" to get to "yet another NLE". That is why someone suggested adding at the beginning of the manual in the Introduction, a list of the Standard Features and Innovative New Features (I think that was Terje). This list probably needs updating, because recently in the forum, a user noted the hardware acceleration for a free NLE is not always available. He has been using both vaapi and vdpau and they have been used with drone footage.

Also, the fact that we capture as much information in a crash dmp as we can is a little unusual also, as well as encourage use of techniques to capture a useful dump for an easy way for us to create a fix. Sometimes word of mouth can be as useful as some YouTube videos. And I think having the forum where users can view other user's ideas/issues/help is very helpful because they can see that the community is interested in hearing about problems/solutions and see that often there is quite a fast response. Phyllis/GG

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:23 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

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Since you wrote to the general mailing list, I will express my opinion on the truining of Cinelerra. It is very good that now the number of free video editors is growing. But, if we want to promote Cinelerra specifically, then we need to focus on its superiority. Such features are enough. What will a novice user think when he once again looks at the process of opening a video and placing it on a timeline? Will yawn. And then he will choose a more standard editor, in which the work is more reminiscent of Adobe Premiere. But this user will be interested in Cinelerra, if you show those things that you will not do in Kdenlive and OpenShot. Such things include, for example, object tracking being discussed in another mailing thread, or the like. And having become interested in the features and not finding these features in other programs, the user will easily figure out how to start working with Cinelerra from the lessons already available. I suggest concentrating specifically on identifying and developing the professional qualities of Cinelerra. The rest will be able to do our followers.

Perhaps I wrote it is not entirely clear, I apologize - English is not my native language. -- Ugin

21.05.2020 17:02, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux пишет:

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Thanks for the link, I did not know this author. I have already created the playlist with the videos of it. Regards.

El jue., 21 may. 2020 a las 13:28, Andrea paz (< [email protected]>) escribió:

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Hi, Rafa. I wanted to add Tutordidi's playlist to our Youtube channel; but I don't know how to do it. How did you put, for instance, Chipper's video? Do we have to upload every video in our channel or is the link enough? The link to the Tutordidi channel is as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv2a4GmPMdY&list=PLfKHh1b8s3Y1v2umY4FYukDfaS...

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-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Cinelerra is very good, and I never tire of recommending it. But it has a number of things that seem to be more to scare away new users than practical. Like for example all this from the media loading wizard, what to add to the project, what to concatenate tracks ... Does anyone use this? A wizard to load the projects would not be easier, and another for the media, and if you need the means of a project, then open it from the wizard to load the media. And so we already removed a stumbling block, which is the main cause that Cinelerra 15 minutes after being installed, is already deleted from the system. Then on the other hand it seeks to provide solutions to very advanced things such as pixel tracking, and yet basic things, such as the possibility that the clips have an assistant, or there is no effect to change their speed. Something very basic today. The current speed line concept is very good, and I like it, but not having an assistant or speed change effect that only affects a clip and not the track does not exist in Cinelerra. Or something very basic these days, a clip transform effect, or clip assistant that covers the basics, position, scale, opacity, and rotation. And it's a shame that being such a good editor has these shortcomings and oddities. And we are in these contests where it turns out that the most talented is stutterer, and it is very difficult to communicate with him, and the least talented but with fluent conversation takes the prize. The Blender guys worked very hard from 2.49 to 2.5 and since this decision they have not stopped gaining users and improving its interface, and now they have received a good and motivating economic incentive, for having known how to modernize. I see Cinelerra at a point where if he is renewed he can succeed, if he continues like this, he will continue to be the editor of 4 romantics, me among them. Greetings, and they are just my opinions, which I assume may be totally wrong. El jue., 21 may. 2020 a las 23:54, Sam (<[email protected]>) escribió:

I can only report from my personal experience. Cinelerra is like a love-hate relationship. You don't like her because of her sometimes old-fashioned and stubborn behaviour and she is not very pretty to look at, but you like her because she is reliable and has many features that others don't have. But like in some contests the attractive, but not necessarily talented ones win the hearts of the masses.

Nevertheless I agree, there is still room for improvement.

Sam

Am 21.05.20 um 21:22 schrieb Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux:

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Cinelerra is very powerful, but not very intuitive. There is no way to think about the beginnings to see the problems. My opinion is that there are mainly three things that scare new users away. The interface, people nowadays don't like interfaces with different windows. It doesn't bother me, but I think it would be much easier to capture new users with a single window interface. The upload wizard, which mixes the upload of projects with that of multimedia files. The first times I tried to work with Cinelerra here I was already very stuck. I think this that I am commenting on now has scared away more people than the interface of different windows. It is absurd to try to load a file and put it on the timeline ... nobody expects this result. In fact I do not see that in other applications this is so. And what do people do, they spend half an hour fighting with this, they install another editor that does not believe this early problem and they quickly forget about Cinelerra, leaving the name of Cinelerra in their subconscious as something bad, something to avoid. And the third point, file browsers, are missing a favorites panel, to go quickly from one folder to another.

Summary. Gimp today offers the possibility of working with panels or using a single window. Would it be easy to implement this in Cinelerra? Modern interfaces are like this, see professional applications or even free ones like Olive, Kdenlive ... etc ... Make an assistant for loading projects and another for loading media. Totally independent, because this is what most people have driven away from Cinelerra. Add a panel in the navigation windows that integrates with the system folders and your favorites, or failing that, a panel where you can put your favorites.

Of all these points, the one that seems to me that it would be more important to change urgently so as not to scare new users away is the media loading assistant.

That I think this does not mean that these things should be changed, but I am convinced that if it were done, or had already been done, Cinelerra would have many more users. What good is having the best motion tracking plugin if people get stuck in the media upload wizard? I myself if I had not seen a video that explained how to upload a file in the Resources window, I think that today I still would not have succeeded, and it is sad that such a powerful application has these assistants so illogical and not imitated by nobody. Renewed or die.

Regards. I continue with my basic tutorials, because I am still discovering Cinelerra.

-- Cin mailing list [email protected] https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin

Hi, I wanted to propose a text as a basis for an introductory video to CinGG's Youtube channel. Taking Ugin and Phyllis' advice to make videos about the specifics of the program, it occurred to me to make an overview of the main tools and put it on the front page of the channel. The hope is that it will interest and intrigue new users. I took the various points from the introduction of the manual. If you have any advice, changes, additions and corrections let me know. Note: if you feel like doing the video as well you are welcome, because quality and aesthetic success is important and I am not very capable.