Den 16.01.2024 21:35, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 23:30 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 20:23, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

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https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1258

see attached to this ticket  modded decoder ...

I wonder if Terje's audio really 4ch? if so,may be we can decode it to 4* wav first, then encode them correctly to bluray lpcm / dvd pcm / ac3 ...

I did leave out some "empty channels" to simplify and clean up the post. Here are the full ffprobe output for the HDV source (mediainfo was complete):

well, this ticket still open, so ffmpeg tools do not know yet about this .. extension? It decodes in compat stereo mode. I attached fixed decoder to this ticket, it will be interesting if you just run ffmpeg acodec copy command and then compile and run decoder on it .. it may decode to 4 files! But not sure how it all was arranged when it comes to microphones ...? Does camera contain 4 of them? or you were supposed to connect your own array?

Well, I think Steve Mullen's handbook for Sony FX7 (mine) and V1 clarify there is only two audo channels on my FX7:: * There is two types of HDV: HD1/720p (19 Mbps) and HD2/1080i /25 Mbps) and Canon's 1080p24. * HD1 is recorded to DV tape using only the DV video segment. The PCM audio segment is open for future use. * HD2 is recorded to DV tape using both the DV video segment and the PCM audio segment. A small Subcode (ITI) segment holds data such * as timecode. Because no PCM audio segments are available, HD2 cannot carry record PCM audio. * MPEG-1 Audio: * Both HD1 and HD2 support two audio channels of audio signals that are digitized with a 48kHz at 16-bit quantization and compressed to * 384kbps by MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 encoding. ProHD adds two-channel PCM audio thus creating a format that can carry four independent * channels of audio. (See Chapter 2 for an in-depth introduction to MPEG-1 audio.)

ffprobe -hide_banner hdv07_05.m2t [mpeg2video @ 0x55d58a968340] Invalid frame dimensions 0x0.     Last message repeated 7 times [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 3 (Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t': Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s   Program 100   Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc     Side data: cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032 vbv_delay: N/A   Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s   Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)   Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 2 Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 3

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 01:04 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 00:42 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

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Den 16.01.2024 21:35, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 23:30 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

...

Den 16.01.2024 20:23, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1258

see attached to this ticket modded decoder ...

I wonder if Terje's audio really 4ch? if so,may be we can decode it to 4* wav first, then encode them correctly to bluray lpcm / dvd pcm / ac3 ...

I did leave out some "empty channels" to simplify and clean up the post. Here are the full ffprobe output for the HDV source (mediainfo was complete):

well, this ticket still open, so ffmpeg tools do not know yet about this .. extension? It decodes in compat stereo mode. I attached fixed decoder to this ticket, it will be interesting if you just run ffmpeg acodec copy command and then compile and run decoder on it .. it may decode to 4 files! But not sure how it all was arranged when it comes to microphones ...? Does camera contain 4 of them? or you were supposed to connect your own array?

Well, I think Steve Mullen's handbook for Sony FX7 (mine) and V1 clarify there is only two audo channels on my FX7::

- There is two types of HDV: HD1/720p (19 Mbps) and HD2/1080i /25 Mbps) and Canon's 1080p24. - HD1 is recorded to DV tape using only the DV video segment. The PCM audio segment is open for future use. - HD2 is recorded to DV tape using both the DV video segment and the PCM audio segment. A small Subcode (ITI) segment holds data such - as timecode. Because no PCM audio segments are available, HD2 cannot carry record PCM audio. - MPEG-1 Audio: - Both HD1 and HD2 support two audio channels of audio signals that are digitized with a 48kHz at 16-bit quantization and compressed to - 384kbps by MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 encoding. ProHD adds two-channel PCM audio thus creating a format that can carry four independent - channels of audio. (See Chapter 2 for an in-depth introduction to MPEG-1 audio.)

yeah, seems to be rarely supported on HDV cameras, see

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=171688

but still!

https://ieba.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/hdv-grows-up-sonys-hvr-s270-and-hvr-z7... ===== *4-Channel Audio* The HDV specification, like the DV specification, has allowed for four-channel audio recording from the outset. Few cameras took advantage of it, and when they did, it was an add-on that did not maintain full balanced audio throughout. Though the smaller Sony HVR-Z7 records only two channels of audio, the larger HVR-S270 has two XLR inputs in the front of the camcorder and two XLR inputs on the back of the camcorder. Each one has a separate audio level control and an automatic level control switch on the side of the camcorder. =====

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ffprobe -hide_banner hdv07_05.m2t

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[mpeg2video @ 0x55d58a968340] Invalid frame dimensions 0x0. Last message repeated 7 times [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 3 (Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t': Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s Program 100 Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc Side data: cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032 vbv_delay: N/A Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0) Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 2 Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 3

Den 16.01.2024 23:32, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 01:14 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 01:04 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 00:42 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 21:35, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

...

вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 23:30 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 20:23, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

...

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1258

see attached to this ticket  modded decoder ...

I wonder if Terje's audio really 4ch? if so,may be we can decode it to 4* wav first, then encode them correctly to bluray lpcm / dvd pcm / ac3 ...

I did leave out some "empty channels" to simplify and clean up the post. Here are the full ffprobe output for the HDV source (mediainfo was complete):

well, this ticket still open, so ffmpeg tools do not know yet about this .. extension? It decodes in compat stereo mode. I attached fixed decoder to this ticket, it will be interesting if you just run ffmpeg acodec copy command and then compile and run decoder on it .. it may decode to 4 files! But not sure how it all was arranged when it comes to microphones ...? Does camera contain 4 of them? or you were supposed to connect your own array?

Well, I think Steve Mullen's handbook for Sony FX7 (mine) and V1 clarify there is only two audo channels on my FX7::

* There is two types of HDV: HD1/720p (19 Mbps) and HD2/1080i /25 Mbps) and Canon's 1080p24. * HD1 is recorded to DV tape using only the DV video segment. The PCM audio segment is open for future use. * HD2 is recorded to DV tape using both the DV video segment and the PCM audio segment. A small Subcode (ITI) segment holds data such * as timecode. Because no PCM audio segments are available, HD2 cannot carry record PCM audio. * MPEG-1 Audio: * Both HD1 and HD2 support two audio channels of audio signals that are digitized with a 48kHz at 16-bit quantization and compressed to * 384kbps by MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 encoding. ProHD adds two-channel PCM audio thus creating a format that can carry four independent * channels of audio. (See Chapter 2 for an in-depth introduction to MPEG-1 audio.)

yeah, seems to be rarely supported on HDV cameras, see

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=171688 <https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=171688>

but still!

https://ieba.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/hdv-grows-up-sonys-hvr-s270-and-hvr-z7...

===== *4-Channel Audio* The HDV specification, like the DV specification, has allowed for four-channel audio recording from the outset. Few cameras took advantage of it, and when they did, it was an add-on that did not maintain full balanced audio throughout. Though the smaller Sony HVR-Z7 records only two channels of audio, the larger HVR-S270 has two XLR inputs in the front of the camcorder and two XLR inputs on the back of the camcorder. Each one has a separate audio level control and an automatic level control switch on the side of the camcorder. =====

and samples:

https://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-125966-p-46.html

=====

As you can see 4 channel audio is part of the HDV format. I am not sure if there are actually 2 audiostreams or only 1. There is no way I can check this because the camera itself only outputs the 4 ch and no 2 ch. But the computer will only play a 2 ch. But when you compare the MediaInfo audio information with the specs I expect that there are 2 audio stream just like eac3to detects. It would be very very nice if HDV support can be integrated into eac3to because many professional cameramen are looking for an solution.

Currently eac3to extracts the m2v and 2ch audio stream fine. Only the 4 channel stream isn't detected nor extracted. I uploaded 2 sample to my server for analysis: http://tools.twanwintjes.nl/uploads/temp/00_0001_2010-11-07_153401.M2T (49 seconds / 152MB) - Right Click --> Save As http://tools.twanwintjes.nl/uploads/temp/00_0002_2010-11-07_214302.M2T (44 seconds / 137MB) - Right Click --> Save As

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yes, files still there :)

Yeah, I saw some of the forum threads and had a look on the sample files. For me they the ffprobe outputs were identical with my own hdv.m2t files. I think as Mullen wrote, the limit for miniDV or HDV tapes was utilized for 1080i HD2 with 25 Mbps. Only the 720p HD2 format with 19 Mbps had PCM tracs free for later use. Maybe other camcorders.. Possibly file storage on other disc media could be utilized for larger bandwidth. But I cannot see it was mentioned for the targeted camcorder disc recorder https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/461819-REG/Sony_HVRDR60_HVRDR60_Hard_...

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ffprobe -hide_banner hdv07_05.m2t [mpeg2video @ 0x55d58a968340] Invalid frame dimensions 0x0.     Last message repeated 7 times [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 3 (Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t':   Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s   Program 100   Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc     Side data:       cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032 vbv_delay: N/A   Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s   Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)   Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 2 Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 3

Den 17.01.2024 00:54, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 02:07 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 23:32, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

...

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 01:14 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 01:04 Andrew Randrianasulu <[email protected]>:

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 00:42 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 21:35, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

...

вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 23:30 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 20:23, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

...

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1258

see attached to this ticket modded decoder ...

I wonder if Terje's audio really 4ch? if so,may be we can decode it to 4* wav first, then encode them correctly to bluray lpcm / dvd pcm / ac3 ...

I did leave out some "empty channels" to simplify and clean up the post. Here are the full ffprobe output for the HDV source (mediainfo was complete):

well, this ticket still open, so ffmpeg tools do not know yet about this .. extension? It decodes in compat stereo mode. I attached fixed decoder to this ticket, it will be interesting if you just run ffmpeg acodec copy command and then compile and run decoder on it .. it may decode to 4 files! But not sure how it all was arranged when it comes to microphones ...? Does camera contain 4 of them? or you were supposed to connect your own array?

Well, I think Steve Mullen's handbook for Sony FX7 (mine) and V1 clarify there is only two audo channels on my FX7::

* There is two types of HDV: HD1/720p (19 Mbps) and HD2/1080i /25 Mbps) and Canon's 1080p24. * HD1 is recorded to DV tape using only the DV video segment. The PCM audio segment is open for future use. * HD2 is recorded to DV tape using both the DV video segment and the PCM audio segment. A small Subcode (ITI) segment holds data such * as timecode. Because no PCM audio segments are available, HD2 cannot carry record PCM audio. * MPEG-1 Audio: * Both HD1 and HD2 support two audio channels of audio signals that are digitized with a 48kHz at 16-bit quantization and compressed to * 384kbps by MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2 encoding. ProHD adds two-channel PCM audio thus creating a format that can carry four independent * channels of audio. (See Chapter 2 for an in-depth introduction to MPEG-1 audio.)

yeah, seems to be rarely supported on HDV cameras, see

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=171688 <https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=171688>

but still!

https://ieba.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/hdv-grows-up-sonys-hvr-s270-and-hvr-z7...

===== *4-Channel Audio* The HDV specification, like the DV specification, has allowed for four-channel audio recording from the outset. Few cameras took advantage of it, and when they did, it was an add-on that did not maintain full balanced audio throughout. Though the smaller Sony HVR-Z7 records only two channels of audio, the larger HVR-S270 has two XLR inputs in the front of the camcorder and two XLR inputs on the back of the camcorder. Each one has a separate audio level control and an automatic level control switch on the side of the camcorder. =====

To supplement the earlier information with wikipedia's hdv audio specification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications Audio Compression     MPEG-1 Audio Layer II, PCM     (HDV 720p) MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (HDV 1080i) Sampling frequency     48 kHz Quantization     16 bits Audio modes and data rate MPEG-1 Part 3 AL 2 Stereo (2-channel) at 384 kbit/s (192 kbit/s per channel); optional MPEG-2 Part 3 AL 2 4-channel at 96 kbit/s per channel.

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and samples:

https://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-125966-p-46.html

=====

As you can see 4 channel audio is part of the HDV format. I am not sure if there are actually 2 audiostreams or only 1. There is no way I can check this because the camera itself only outputs the 4 ch and no 2 ch. But the computer will only play a 2 ch. But when you compare the MediaInfo audio information with the specs I expect that there are 2 audio stream just like eac3to detects. It would be very very nice if HDV support can be integrated into eac3to because many professional cameramen are looking for an solution.

Currently eac3to extracts the m2v and 2ch audio stream fine. Only the 4 channel stream isn't detected nor extracted. I uploaded 2 sample to my server for analysis: http://tools.twanwintjes.nl/uploads/temp/00_0001_2010-11-07_153401.M2T (49 seconds / 152MB) - Right Click --> Save As http://tools.twanwintjes.nl/uploads/temp/00_0002_2010-11-07_214302.M2T (44 seconds / 137MB) - Right Click --> Save As

====

yes, files still there :)

Yeah, I saw some of the forum threads and had a look on the sample files. For me they the ffprobe outputs were identical with my own hdv.m2t files. I think as Mullen wrote, the limit for miniDV or HDV tapes was utilized for 1080i HD2 with 25 Mbps. Only the 720p HD2 format with 19 Mbps had PCM tracs free for later use. Maybe other camcorders..

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.2.1.8 Adaptive Multichannel Prediction Adaptive multichannel prediction is used to reduce the inter-channel redundancy. When using multichannel prediction, the signals in the transmission channels T2..T4 are predicted from the signals in the MPEG-1 compatible part of the bit stream (Lo, Ro). Instead of the actual signals in a subband group, the prediction error is transmitted, together with predictor coefficients and delay compensation. =======

from

https://courses.e-ce.uth.gr/CE401/tree_menu/tutorials/MPEG2/13818-3.pdf

Possibly file storage on other disc media could be utilized for larger bandwidth. But I cannot see it was mentioned for the targeted camcorder disc recorder https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/461819-REG/Sony_HVRDR60_HVRDR60_Hard_...

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ffprobe -hide_banner hdv07_05.m2t [mpeg2video @ 0x55d58a968340] Invalid frame dimensions 0x0.     Last message repeated 7 times [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 3 (Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t':   Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s   Program 100   Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc     Side data:       cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032 vbv_delay: N/A   Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s   Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)   Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 2 Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 3

ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 03:31 Terje J. Hanssen <[email protected]>:

Den 16.01.2024 21:30, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:

Den 16.01.2024 20:23, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/1258

see attached to this ticket modded decoder ...

I wonder if Terje's audio really 4ch? if so,may be we can decode it to 4* wav first, then encode them correctly to bluray lpcm / dvd pcm / ac3 ...

I did leave out some "empty channels" to simplify and clean up the post. Here are the full ffprobe output for the HDV source (mediainfo was complete):

ffprobe -hide_banner hdv07_05.m2t [mpeg2video @ 0x55d58a968340] Invalid frame dimensions 0x0. Last message repeated 7 times [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 2 (Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options [mpegts @ 0x55d58a93e580] Could not find codec parameters for stream 3 (Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)): unknown codec Consider increasing the value for the 'analyzeduration' (0) and 'probesize' (5000000) options Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t': Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s Program 100 Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc Side data: cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032 vbv_delay: N/A Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0) Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1) Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 2 Unsupported codec with id 0 for input stream 3

I fogot to add that loading the HDV clip in CinGG, there is only two visible streams: #1 (video) and #2 (stereo Audio) (That is, nothing similar to loading .mov file, where there were additional 6 empty audio streams, #3 - #8)

yeah, no support in ffmpeg, no support in libsndfile (I filed feature request) -> no additional channels! you need to compile decoder from source, then use it on ffmpeg-extracted mp2 file so it will generate 4 wav files.