[Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

Sam cinelerra at posteo.de
Sat Dec 28 00:41:22 CET 2019

One of the greatest strengths of commercial NLEs is the ability to work 
with multiple timelines.

Why work with multiple timelines?

A movie project can be divided into several sections such as intro, main 
part 1, main part 2 and credits.

 From this I make four timelines called Intro, Part 1, Part 2, Credits.

This splits the whole movie project into four parts and allows faster 
working in the main window, because not the whole movie project is 
loaded in the main window, but only a quarter of the movie. This speeds 
up the work a lot and allows other contributors to work on different 
parts of a film project and finally add them together and make an 
overall coordination.

When the intro, main part 1, main part 2 and the credits are finished, 
these timelines are joined together to form an overall timeline.

A new timeline called Composition is created and Timeline Intro, 
Timeline Part 1, Timeline Part 2 and Timeline Credits are dragged into it.

Basically this feature is an extension of the EDL feature.

I created the photomontage very fast and therefore they have a lot of 
potential for improvement. The final solution can of course look 
completely different, the pictures only serve to illustrate my idea.


On 26.12.19 03:12, Phyllis Smith wrote:
> Never hurts to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an 
> unexpected need arises here.
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM Sam <cinelerra at posteo.de 
> <mailto:cinelerra at posteo.de>> wrote:
>     Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for so
>     long, but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
>     This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the
>     timeline feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I
>     would like to make some suggestions on this topic for January.
>     This EDL feature can be extended relatively easily in my opinion.
>     Sam
>     On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:
>>     With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included
>>     with your project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example,
>>     if you have a nested clip that originally had several plugins
>>     added to it before it was nested, you can edit those plugin
>>     parameter values.  Previously to make any changes to these EDL
>>     clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
>>     scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as
>>     described below by the ****.
>>     In addition a couple of modifications related to this are
>>     noticeable to include the following:
>>       - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which
>>     was "Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
>>       - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to
>>     Media", the nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder
>>     for example:
>>     1) load some test media, mode replace project
>>     2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and
>>     press ok.  clip is created
>>     3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
>>     4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
>>     5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
>>     6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the
>>     main menu bar.
>>     7) timeline is restored to original media.
>>     8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The
>>     effect is visible.
>>     **** - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL"
>>     for the highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip
>>     will be brought up on the timeline. *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the
>>     previous timeline EDL is "pushed onto a stack" (this is
>>     programmer talk) so it is remembered and to get back to that you
>>     have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by clicking on the
>>     button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline above where
>>     the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read
>>     1 if you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original
>>     timeline.  You can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it
>>     could be 2, 3, ... but I got to tell you that you can get lost if
>>     you overdo it.  Once the clip is open on the timeline, you can
>>     edit it however you want.
>>       - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested
>>     clip will be located here
>>       - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now
>>     called "EDL to clip" which results in the nested clip being
>>     reverted to a clip and back into the clip folder with only a name
>>     of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also still in the Media folder.
>>       - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open
>>     EDL" as described for clips above.  But in this case when you
>>     Open EDL and edit the changes, those changes will take affect on
>>     any and all occurrences of that nested clip on the timeline.
>>     I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that
>>     contain this and other mods in the Download / Documentation /
>>     File Storage at cinelerra-gg.org <http://cinelerra-gg.org>. 
>>     Would be happy to make static tars for any other usual
>>     distro/version if you would like to test early.
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