[Cin] oops apparently 'subtract' mode is broken!

[Andrew Randrianasulu]

пн, 26 сент. 2022 г., 19:31 Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>:

>
> so I am officially confused!
>>>
>>> according to this
>>>
>>> https://emptyeasel.com/2008/11/14/layer-modes-part-three-difference-addition-subtraction-darken-lighten/
>>>
>>> color inversion in subtract mode IS normal thing.
>>>
>> URL is really good to help understand.
>
>
>>
>>> yet in original Cin something else happens ....
>>>
>>>
>>> may be Phyllis can replace our original red-green square  images with
>>> full-color gradients + photo, so effect will be more natural? Or add this
>>> into new appendix .....
>>>
>> Good idea to add in appendix but I am not sure I could get it right.
>


may be download images from said website via "download" button, then place
them on tracks and render single frame for each of those  30 different
composition modes on top track? sorry if this sounds big, I can try this
idea  myself, just then I will generate whole folder of images for you to
pick up and integrate into manual. < oh Andrew, come on, you just too lazy
for even minimal work - my conscience >

or you mean whole TeX editing? I should try to retest if my pdf generating
setup still work ....



>
>> more documentation, it seems Adobe products use shared code for this ....
>>
>>
>> https://www.rippletraining.com/blog/final-cut-pro-x/understanding-blend-modes-final-cut-pro/
>>
> Another good URL to look at.  When coding all of the Overlay modes, Porter
> Duff explanations and example were used as the basis.  Not sure if Gimp and
> PhotoShop use the same basis.
>
>>
>>
>> --quote---
>>
>> Subtract
>>
>> Subtract does what it advertises; the color values of one layer are
>> subtracted from the other layer. This tends to have a net darkening effect.
>> Pixel values can’t fall below zero, so negative numbers are rendered to
>> black.
>>
>>
>> ---end quote---
>>
>>
>> in older cingg code (from 4.6.mod era - earliest public code on Google
>> code) I see such construct :
>>
>>
>> /data/data/com.termux/files/home/cingg-g~nelerra-4.6.mod/cinelerra/overlayframe.C
>>      4762/69317  UTF-8        6%
>>
>>                         break; \
>>
>>                 case TRANSFER_SUBTRACT: \
>>
>>                         r = (temp_type)output[0] - (temp_type)input1; \
>>
>>                         g = ((temp_type)output[1] -
>> (temp_type)chroma_offset) - \
>>
>>                                 ((temp_type)input2 -
>> (temp_type)chroma_offset) + \
>>
>>                                 (temp_type)chroma_offset; \
>>
>>                         b = ((temp_type)output[2] -
>> (temp_type)chroma_offset) - \
>>
>>                                 ((temp_type)input3 -
>> (temp_type)chroma_offset) + \
>>
>>                                 (temp_type)chroma_offset; \
>>
>>                         if(r < 0) r = 0; \
>>
>>                         if(g < 0) g = 0; \
>>
>>                         if(b < 0) b = 0; \
>>
>>                         r = (r * opacity + output[0] * transparency) /
>> max; \
>>
>>                         g = (g * opacity + output[1] * transparency) /
>> max; \
>>
>>                         b = (b * opacity + output[2] * transparency) /
>> max; \                                                              break; \
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>> so it basically had specific guard against going negative. Not sure if
>> our implementation does the same just in different place?
>>
>>
>> I see no specific handling of it in macros ...
>>
>>
>>
>> overlayframe.h     [----] 38 L:[ 53+ 0  53/615] *(1572/17155b) 001[*][X]
>>
>> // ADDITION<--->[(Sa + Da), (Sc + Dc)]
>>
>> #define ALPHA_ADDITION(mx, Sa, Da) (Sa + Da)
>>
>> #define COLOR_ADDITION(mx, Sc, Sa, Dc, Da) (Sc + Dc)
>>
>> #define CHROMA_ADDITION COLOR_ADDITION
>>
>>
>> // SUBTRACT<--->[(Sa - Da), (Sc - Dc)]
>>
>> #define ALPHA_SUBTRACT(mx, Sa, Da) (Sa - Da)
>>
>> #define COLOR_SUBTRACT(mx, Sc, Sa, Dc, Da) (Sc - Dc)
>>
>> #define CHROMA_SUBTRACT COLOR_SUBTRACT
>>
>>
>> but apparently you can add some comparing here ...just .. it went from
>> two-stage process to single stage for untrained eye and I am not sure where
>> to put those ifs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> вс, 25 сент. 2022 г., 11:06 Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I found Graphics-softlight mode behaving visually close...but not sure
>>>> how close to CinHV/CV subtract mode ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> вс, 25 сент. 2022 г., 10:24 Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I was trying to repeat tuto at
>>>>>
>>>>> https://linuxvideoediting.blogspot.com/2022/01/transparent-text-effect-in-Cinelerra-part1.html?m=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so I loaded video, created empty new vid track, applied 'titles',
>>>>> 'blur' and 'invert video' to _empty track_, then set track's mode to
>>>>> subtract .... result was color inversion of original video on second vid
>>>>> track (
>>>>>
>>>>
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