[Cin] AUTHORS file for cinelerra-GG?

Andrew Randrianasulu randrianasulu at gmail.com
Mon Jan 2 20:43:54 CET 2023

пн, 2 янв. 2023 г., 22:13 Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>:

> I will look for files without attribution header and see how many there
> are.  If they existed in HV, then can make sure Williams header is put back
> in.  May have been accidentally deleted.

Thousand times thanks! Unfun fact current github web interface can only
show 1000 files so cinelerra/ directory cut a bit sort there!

As aside from my own, I think early licence texts overlooked importance of
version history - they effectively ask developer/users to share accurate
_snapshot_ of their work. And while it probably worked in more tidely
organized projects (they often keep detailed changelog - like if you look
inside LibreOffice source you will find ...100 Mb (?!) changelog if my
memory serves me well) loss of development history about many earlier
projects is sad, IMO. Also, some companies tried to do absolute minimum and
released so called "code drop" -  sources, yes, but without any history or
even clear documentation.

I wonder if there optional way to include sources in those flatpacks...
yes, this will make them bigger, but I still like how Slackware's packages
contain all development headers and such.

May be this is empty worry but using open-source (GPL/BSD/MIT/etc) software
exactly  as closed-source binary "applications" defeat (imo) whole idea of
empowering users into "I can dev, too!" status.

This is not CinelerraGG's specific problem or error - but generic trend
.... I, like all users, surely *like* package that just work, esp. for
quickly testing various versions - but we humans tend to be understanable
"lazy" so  only small minority of Windows/Mac users  reach out to try
Linux, and now even small part of Linux users reach out to try development

I tend to circle around ideas like those presented on

but because I can't garden (and feel basically no attraction to even try)
my only "community work" is about software o.O

I do not grow much as developer after all those years, so may be this is
understanable why I sometimes overattracted to philosophising and numbers.

Thanks for attention ....

> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:53 AM Andrew Randrianasulu <
> randrianasulu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:36 PM Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> They were mad because they were NOT on the list; and they were mad
>>> because someone else WAS and they did not think they should be.
>>> Adam Williams name is all over the place and that is what is the most
>>> important.
>>> - FFmpeg is such a HUGE part of CinGG now that how could we ever list
>>> those Authors?  and honestly that is the main reason CinGG is functioning
>>> so well.
>>> - And what about the Authors of the LV2 Calf plugins? and all of the
>>> libraries being used?
>> Their AUTHORS listed in their source tarballs ....I think.
>>  Looking at history of ffmpeg.C file in google code repo dump I see this
>> Автор: Good1.2Guy <good1.2guy at gmail.com>  2015-02-20 21:21:11
>> Коммитер: Good1.2Guy <good1.2guy at gmail.com>  2015-02-20 21:21:11
>> Предок: 3b2f5ff3d4421839c8b74d37255fde8af2e60f37 (fix some textbox bugs,
>> again fix alpla probs on titler)
>> Потомок:  bbb0c833cc22b15bcc5af6d29245d684fb5d4800 (add missing
>> mjpegtools includes)
>> Ветка: master, remotes/origin/master
>> Следует за:
>> Предшествует:
>>     CV file codec mods + a few fixes
>> =====
>> I used gitk for visualising commits by default a bit ...
>> still file started  without any license header. May be it was this way in
>> cin cv  branch?
>> But GPL license states each file should have attribution ....
>> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
>> =====
>> How to Apply These Terms to Your New Programs
>> If you develop a new program, and you want it to be of the greatest
>> possible use to the public,
>> the best way to achieve this is to make it free software which everyone
>> can redistribute and change under these terms.
>> To do so, attach the following notices to the program. It is safest to
>> attach them to the start of
>> each source file to most effectively convey the exclusion of warranty;
>> and each file should have
>> at least the "copyright" line and a pointer to where the full notice is
>> found.
>> one line to give the program's name and an idea of what it does.
>> Copyright (C) yyyy  name of author
>> This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
>> modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
>> as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
>> of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
>> This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
>> but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
>> GNU General Public License for more details.
>> You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
>> along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
>> Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA  02110-1301, USA.
>> ======
>> I guess we can fix at least this, because Bill obviously (for us, insiders) worked on this file
>> May be indicate that Bill is sadly died (I think there is some expression in English for this?)
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 11:18 AM Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> пн, 2 янв. 2023 г., 21:13 Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Although it would be nice to have, it is just too hard to get correct,
>>>>> difficult to maintain, and *leads to people getting mad*.
>>>> Were they mad because their name was on list or because it was absent?
>>>> Today development slowed much, so may be we have time to sort this out
>>>> without panicking .....
>>>> This is what has happened in the past and why it was eliminated.  But
>>>>> maybe in the future if another full time developer starts working on all of
>>>>> the Bug Tracker issues, this can be changed.
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 10:48 AM Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Because cinelerra-gg is merge of cin hv, cin-cv, various recent
>>>>>> contributors on this list  and Bill's own work I thought having AUTHORS
>>>>>> file in sorce tree root will be good idea.
>>>>>> Right now Cin-CV AUTHORS look like this (some emails outdated)
>>>>>> hv=Adam Williams <broadcast at earthling.net>
>>>>>> j6t=Johannes Sixt <johannes.sixt at telecom.at>
>>>>>> minmax=Andraz Tori <Andraz.tori1 at guest.arnes.si>     herman=Herman
>>>>>> Robak <herman at skolelinux.no>
>>>>>> baver=Richard Baverstock <baver at thebeever.com>
>>>>>> einar=Einar Runkaru <einarry at smail.ee>
>>>>>> pere=Petter Reinholdtsen <pere at hungry.com>
>>>>>> tfheen=Tollef Fog Heen <tollef at add.no>
>>>>>> andreask=Andreas Kielb <andreaskielb at web.de>
>>>>>> theraz=Tyler Geddes <tgeddes at wgeddes.com>
>>>>>> dyce=Gergely Erdelyi <dyce at rovidzar.hu>
>>>>>> dreamlx=David Arendt <admin at prnet.org>
>>>>>> ga=Gustavo Iniguez <ga at kutxa.homeunix.org>
>>>>>> memenk=Michael Eric Menk <meklev at osys.grm.hia.no>
>>>>>> benjif=Benjamin Flaming <cinelerra at solobanjo.com>
>>>>>> cobra=Kevin Brosius <cobra at compuserve.com>
>>>>>> taraba=Mark Taraba <m_taraba at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> nate=Nathan Kurz <nate at verse.com>
>>>>>> mammique=Camille Harang <mammique at garbure.org>
>>>>>>                           kbielefe=Karl Bielefeldt <
>>>>>> uhauufo02 at sneakemail.com>
>>>>>> alexf=Alex Ferrer <alex at ftconsult.com>
>>>>>> pmdumuid=Pierre Dumuid <pierre.dumuid at adelaide.edu.au>
>>>>>> giskard=Riccardo Setti <giskard at autistici.org>
>>>>>> jstewart=Joe Stewart <jstewart at lurhq.com>
>>>>>> doudou=Sylvain Joyeux <doudou at melix.net>
>>>>>> rafael2k=Rafael Diniz <rafael at riseup.net>
>>>>>> nicolasm=Nicolas Maufrais <e.conti at gmx.net>
>>>>>> raffa=Raffaella Traniello <raffaella.traniello at livecom.it>
>>>>>> feranick=Nicola Ferralis <feranick at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> akirad=Paolo Rampino <tuttoainternet at gmail.com>
>>>>>> All in all 30 authors
>>>>>> Cin-CV did a lot of bugfixing, build system , internationalization
>>>>>> work, some plugin work. Also IIRC ffmpeg support appeared in some branch of
>>>>>> cv "fork" while may be Adam and Bill come up with similar file on their own?
>>>>>> cinelerra/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/ffmpeg.C
>>>>>> contain no attribution ... guess we should track this down in history
>>>>>> and fix
>>>>>> CinHV aboutperfs.C contain this list (Myself only send literally  few
>>>>>> oneliners, but I guess my work on cingg merges into it)
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Richard Baverstock"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Karl Bielefeldt"));
>>>>>>                              credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Kevin
>>>>>> Brosius"));
>>>>>>  credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Jean-Luc Coulon"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Jerome Cornet"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Pierre Marc Dumuid"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Nicola Ferralis"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Alex Ferrer"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Gustavo I<C3><B1>iguez"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Tefan de Konink"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Nathan Kurz"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Greg Mekkes"))
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Jean-Michel Poure"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Monty Montgomery"));
>>>>>>                               credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Bill
>>>>>> Morrow"));
>>>>>> #ifdef X_HAVE_UTF8_STRING
>>>>>>  credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Einar R<C3><BC>nkaru"));
>>>>>> #else
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Einar R\374nkaru"));
>>>>>> #endif
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Paolo Rampino"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Andrew Randrianasulu"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Petter Reinholdtsen"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Eric Seigne"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Johannes Sixt"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Joe Stewart"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Dan Streetman"));
>>>>>>                             credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Mark
>>>>>> Taraba"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Andraz Tori"));
>>>>>> credits.append(new BC_ListBoxItem("Jonas Wulff"));
>>>>>> 25 authors. (with overlap)
>>>>>> Tefan de Konik looks like typo? Stefan, may be?
>>>>>> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2022-January/004602.html
>>>>>> I think for cingg specifically  we should add Bill, Sergey at very
>>>>>> least and Andrea, Phyllis, Terje, IgorB, and other *testers* because
>>>>>> without your work we newer had chance to move anywhere near  our current
>>>>>> state.
>>>>>> (i guess we should say list is incomplete in first edition, because
>>>>>> fishing out  all contributor's names out of mail list archive will take
>>>>>> time)
>>>>>> I think we can go with second form of list, without emails? Usually
>>>>>> email is useful if someone want to ask few questions, but because someone
>>>>>> contribute to various cinelerra branches does not mean they are still on it
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> So I guess leaving remark about incompleteness and links to current
>>>>>> email archive is best we can do?
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