[Cin] DV to DVD rendering - questions and issues

Terje J. Hanssen terjejhanssen at gmail.com
Sun May 28 15:51:36 CEST 2023


Lately I have experimented with PAL DV to DVD rendering, both using 
ffmpeg/DeVeDE, and now using CinGG mpeg2enc/FFMPEG

I hope someone can help to clarify the following questions and debug 
possible issues regarding DVD Rendering with CinGG:


1. dvd.m2v and dvd.mpg
Why are there two video files created, dvd.m2v w/o Audio and dvd.mpg 
w/Audio, and which one is used for what?

    tree -sh dvd_20230528-115747
    dvd_20230528-115747
    ├── [ 16M]  dvd.ac3
    ├── [3.4K]  dvd.jobs
    ├── [562M]  dvd.m2v
    ├── [588M]  dvd.mpg
    ├── [ 733]  dvd.sh
    ├── [6.5K]  dvd.xml
    └── [4.0K]  iso
         ├── [4.0K]  AUDIO_TS
         └── [4.0K]  VIDEO_TS
             ├── [6.0K]  VIDEO_TS.BUP
             ├── [6.0K]  VIDEO_TS.IFO
             ├── [ 18K]  VTS_01_0.BUP
             ├── [ 18K]  VTS_01_0.IFO
             └── [588M]  VTS_01_1.VOB

2. Deinterlacing:

The input PAL DV source file is Interlaced, Bottom Field First

    ffprobe:
       Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, none, 25000 kb/s, SAR 16:15 DAR 0:0,
    25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn
       Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
    Unsupported codec with id 24 for input stream 0

    mediainfo:
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 576 pixels
    Color space                              : YUV
    Scan type                                : Interlaced
    Scan order                               : Bottom Field First


Why does deinterlacing with dvd default rendering (mpeg2enc) still come 
out as Interlaced, but Top Field first?

    ffprobe -hide_banner dvd.m2v
    Input #0, mpegvideo, from 'dvd.m2v':
       Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A
       Stream #0:0: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv, bt470bg, top
    first), 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9], 25 fps, 25 tbr, 1200k tbn
         Side data:
           cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 8000000/0/0 buffer size: 1835008
    vbv_delay: N/A


    ffprobe -hide_banner dvd.mpg
    [mpeg @ 0x55a756c7af00] start time for stream 0 is not set in
    estimate_timings_from_pts
    Input #0, mpeg, from 'dvd.mpg':
       Duration: 00:09:56.44, start: 0.160000, bitrate: 8305 kb/s
       Stream #0:0[0x1bf]: Data: dvd_nav_packet
       Stream #0:1[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
    bt470bg, top first), 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9], 25 fps, 25 tbr,
    90k tbn
         Side data:
           cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 8000000/0/0 buffer size: 1835008
    vbv_delay: N/A
       Stream #0:2[0x80]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 224 kb/s
    Unsupported codec with id 98312 for input stream 0


    mediainfo dvd.m2v | egrep "Color|pixels|Scan"
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 576 pixels
    Color space                              : YUV
    Scan type                                : Interlaced
    Scan order                               : Top Field First
    Color primaries                          : BT.601 PAL


    mediainfo dvd.mpg | egrep "Color|pixels|Scan"
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 576 pixels
    Color space                              : YUV
    Scan type                                : Interlaced
    Scan order                               : Top Field First
    Color primaries                          : BT.601 PAL

While corresponding deinterlacing with the optional FFMPEG DVD Rendering 
comes out as Progressive?

    ffprobe -hide_banner dvd.m2v
    Input #0, mpegvideo, from 'dvd.m2v':
       Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A
       Stream #0:0: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
    bt470bg/unknown/unknown, progressive), 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9],
    25 fps, 25 tbr, 1200k tbn
         Side data:
           cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 9000000/0/0 buffer size: 1835008
    vbv_delay: N/A

    ffprobe -hide_banner dvd.mpg
    [mpeg @ 0x561effba3f00] start time for stream 0 is not set in
    estimate_timings_from_pts
    Input #0, mpeg, from 'dvd.mpg':
       Duration: 00:09:56.42, start: 0.160000, bitrate: 8266 kb/s
       Stream #0:0[0x1bf]: Data: dvd_nav_packet
       Stream #0:1[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
    bt470bg/unknown/unknown, progressive), 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9],
    25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn
         Side data:
           cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 9000000/0/0 buffer size: 1835008
    vbv_delay: N/A
       Stream #0:2[0x80]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 224 kb/s

    mediainfo dvd.m2v | egrep "Color|pixels|Scan"
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 576 pixels
    Color space                              : YUV
    Scan type                                : Progressive

    mediainfo dvd.mpg | egrep "Color|pixels|Scan"
    Width                                    : 720 pixels
    Height                                   : 576 pixels
    Color space                              : YUV
    Scan type                                : Progressive

3. Dvd Interlaced Chroma

With reference to the CinGG manual
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/Dvd_Interlaced_Chroma.html

    /Now you can use the YUV420P DVD Interlace Mode when rendering DV
    directly to mpeg2 through a yuv4mpeg stream and when using video
    effects on HDV video./
    /With this option enabled, improved chroma results will be obtained
    from your DV or HDV source. Editing DV or HDV and rendering it back
    to the same format does not require any special handling. In order
    to perform colorspace conversions correctly in CINELERRA-GG and
    avoid Chroma errors for interlaced 4:2:0 video, check the box as
    follows:/

    Settings → Performance → YUV420P DVD Interlace Mode


I can't find this option and is it relevant for DVD rendering?


4. Missing FFMPEG output

According to the manual:
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/DVD_Bluray_Creation.html 


    I/t is also highly recommended to run the CINELERRA-GG startup from
    a terminal window, instead of the icon, in order to see informative
    messages of how to actually write the output (at prompt: keyin
    <install_directory_path/bin/cin). /

For the default mpeg2enc DVD rendering there is output like

    mpeg2enc -v 0  -b 8000 -q 1 -a 3 -F 3 -H -I 1 -M 8 -z t -f 8 -g 15
    -G 15 -R 0 -o
    '/home/terje/Videoklipp/DVD/dvd_mpeg2enc_20230527-184531/dvd.m2v'

For the optional FFMEG DVD Rendering it would be nice to also get the 
actual "ffmpeg code line" as terminal output, both for learning, 
customizing and debugging.
Is that possible ?





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