[Cin] Fwd: [cinelerra-cv-team] About copy-pasting from CV Manual to CGG Manual

[Andrea paz]

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Da: Igor Vladimirsky <sitelve at gmail.com>
Date: mar 30 apr 2024 alle ore 20:20
Subject: [cinelerra-cv-team] About copy-pasting from CV Manual to CGG Manual
To: <cinelerra-cv-team at freelists.org>


Each of my messages to the Cin-GG ML is moderated.
This is why I have opened this thread here and restoring the chronology
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28.04.2023
Andrea Paz wrote the msg to the CinGG ML.
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2024-April/008211.html
Quote:
I have updated the plugins chapter, based on IgorV's updates for the manual of
Cinelerra-CV. (See:
https://github.com/cinelerra-cv-team/cinelerra-cv/commits/master/doc)
Check that they fit.
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My answer to the CinGG ML was:
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Do marketers of the Cin-GG Community discourage linking to sources? I
want to remind them of something.
The CV manual was mostly copied (many years ago) from the HV-manual &
the Alex's cv-wiki.

The content of the CGG manual was mostly copied from HV/CV-manuals and
Features5.1
and paraphrased (in some places)/reordered for pseudo-originality &
better understanding/usability (however, you did not solve the
problems of the previous manuals).
+  you described well the new functions made by William Morrow aka
GoodGuy (but not all as far as I remember).

The content was copied from hv-cv_mans to cgg-man without providing
links to hv-cv_sources and contributors.
The CGG-manual contains only  this:
 Information contained in this manual is a description of the
CINELERRA-GG program usage and was obtained from various sources to
include different communication channels, emails, common knowledge,
and write-ups as new features were added
In CV:
This manual originates from "Secrets of Cinelerra", an excellent
primer written by Adam WILLIAMS from HEROINE VIRTUAL LTD.
In 2003 Alex FERRER created a Wiki based on that manual and added many
screenshots and topic descriptions.
The CV-manual contains a list of its contributors.

So,
- I provided a description of how chromakey-hsv works not for the
CGG-manual, but for the CV-manual. Therefore you have to indicate the
source.
- Marketers of your community should finally make an effort on
themselves and indicate the main sources of origin of the contents of
the CinGG-manual.
Good luck.
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As expected, the msg above did not pass moderation in the GG-ML and was banned.
However, I see some progressive changes here
https://git.cinelerra-gg.org/git/?p=goodguy/cin-manual-latex.git;a=shortlog
BTW, The traditional tendency (in CinGG) to not indicate sources of
origin and assign the original name of the program to the fork was
evident many years ago.
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30.04.2023
Andrea Paz wrote the msg to the CinGG ML.
https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2024-April/008221.html
QUOTE:
@igor_ubuntu (Igor Vladimirsky)
See if the changes made to the manual sound good to you.
https://git.cinelerra-gg.org/git/?p=goodguy/cin-manual-latex.git;a=commitdiff;h=8da3ca92772da956388bb055696a8b564bd1212f

If that doesn't work for you, try writing something yourself (plain
text is fine) and  then put it here in the thread so it can be
integrated into the manual.

If, on the other hand, what you are asking for is that every sentenceI
take from your manual report the author,
then I apologize for what I have done so far. I thought that having
asked your permission and then mentioning you on the mailing
list (complete with a link) was enough. From now on, I will not resume
sentences written by
others to avoid these problems.
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My answer (here, in the  freelist):

Andrea  Paz, you know that my messages are moderated. Therefore, your
proposal to write something to the gg-ml sounds like a mockery.
If you carefully read the original of my message, you can see that
there is no requirement in it
 quote:"that every sentence I take from your manual report the author".

I talk  about chromakey and about indicating the main sources of
origin of your manual..

However, for the future:
Texts written by me for my blog/yt-channel and transferred to the cv manual
1 - may only be copied to cgg-man with my permission.
2 - you may copy them only after indicating that this text was written
by .. and was copied by you  from cv-man to gg-man
3 - the copied text must have a direct link (to the original) in the
text, and not somewhere at the bottom of the page.

I have no desire to improve (neither directly nor indirectly)
cgg-manual and I do not want to be an anonymous hero.
I don't really hate cgg, but marketing I just can't stand.

You can, of course, copy other text from  cv-man without any
conditions (it is under GPL).
We all use open sources, in particular the mailing list archive.
Phyllis finally indicated the sources of the cgg manual. It's enough.
Until today, I have not taken the text from your manual.
But if you copy/paste texts for cv-man, then don’t be surprised if I
will copy/paste texts from the cgg-man.
However, I have no plans to do this.
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Now, Andrea, please, take the link to this message and send it to the GG ML.
So that we don't "play with a damaged phone".

IgorV