[Cin] SD 16:9 missing among CinGG BD-Render Video Formats
Andrew Randrianasulu
randrianasulu at gmail.com
Tue Jan 16 19:29:16 CET 2024
вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 21:01 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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> Den 16.01.2024 17:31, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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> вт, 16 янв. 2024 г., 19:19 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <
> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>:
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>> Den 16.01.2024 05:58, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
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>> so yeah, seems like sd 16:9 missing. easy to add
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>> I wonder if we should modify 1440*1080 presets to also be wide always?
>> How it looks now {if source is hdv unscaled} in real (HD) TV connected to
>> BD player
>> ?
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>> The FHD option 1920x1080 is already available, with or without scaled
>> from HDV?
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> right now ot seems to be WITH scaling OR produces 4:3 1440*1080 files.
> Patches aims at fixing that.
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> I suggest CinGG supports all valid BD-formats, SD and HDV anamorphic
>> included. I am currently not rigged to test BD 1440x1080 with BD player and
>> TV, but I think I did test it previously on a PC display (can possibly test
>> it later by opportunity).
>> If not other project reasons, I basically don't see why to up-convert and
>> store more pixels on the medium, if and when the 1440x1080 format scales
>> fine to 16:9 by the player/TV. Just did a simple succesful test with VLC
>> now.
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> yeahhhh ....
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>> I just installed the latest cin-x86_64 AppImage, started as root, loaded
>> a HDV clip to test to create a BD iso/structure, without Blu-ray device
>> connected (similar like testing create DVD).
>> But I got the following error message; any idea what is wrong here?
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>> build plugin index for: /tmp/.mount_cin-x87v7ShV/usr/bin/plugins
>> build lv2 index for: /usr/share/cin/lv2
>> build ladspa plugin index for: /tmp/.mount_cin-x87v7ShV/usr/bin/ladspa
>> Unable to create directory:
>> /home/terje/Videoklipp/BD/bd_hdv_20240116-165618
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> sounds like permission error?
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> A stupid mistake of my own. In the meantime I had manually changed the
> Directory anme from BD to BD-Video :)
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> I rendered HDV to BD successful now, but got Aspect error both with None
> and Scaled:
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> 1) None (scale): a small 4:3 sqeezed image covering 50% of the VLC display
> area centered, no cropping:
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> Input #0, mpegts, from 'bd.m2ts':
> Duration: 00:06:58.08, start: 0.080000, bitrate: 12995 kb/s
> Program 1
> Stream #0:0[0x1011]: Video: h264 (High) ([27][0][0][0] / 0x001B),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 4:3], 25 fps, 25 tbr,
> 90k tbn, 50 tbc
> Stream #0:1[0x1100](und): Audio: pcm_bluray ([128][0][0][0] / 0x0080),
> 48000 Hz, stereo, s32 (24 bit), 2304 kb/s
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> 2) Scaled: full Hight 4:3 sqeezed image horizontally centered on the VLC
> display (corrected with forcing Aspect 16:9 in VLC)
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> Input #0, mpegts, from 'bd.m2ts':
> Duration: 00:06:58.08, start: 0.080000, bitrate: 12376 kb/s
> Program 1
> Stream #0:0[0x1011]: Video: h264 (High) ([27][0][0][0] / 0x001B),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 4:3], 25 fps, 25 tbr,
> 90k tbn, 50 tbc
> Stream #0:1[0x1100](und): Audio: pcm_bluray ([128][0][0][0] / 0x0080),
> 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
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not dure how well this particular case was tested ... may be it worked
because player/TV automagically forced 16:9 ?
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>> I think BD-Render currently is locked to AVCHD (h264) video and ac3 audio
>> only.
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> hey, we did lpcm bd audio too some time ago! There must be little dropdown
> menu with two choices ...
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>> It would be fine if Create BD also could be extended to offer compliant
>> mpeg2 video and video copy (smart rendering) with separate AC3/PCM_bluray
>> audio (ref. Create BD video without rendering HDV and possibly DVD video).
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> well, smart render is harder than it sounds even in linear transcoders
> based on ffmpeg :/
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> piping all this info in correct manner using cingg's internal seems to be
> beyond that *I* can do.
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> But we hopefully at very minimum can develop mpeg2_video encoding profile
> based on mpeg2 high quality one. But this again require testing on real
> media/player - due to bitrate distribution/rotation speed interplay not
> emulated when reading from a file.
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> I meant video Copy of the compliant 1080i HDV.m2t mpeg2 was a "smart
> render" in this case ;)
> (There is also additional non-anamorhic 1280x720 HDV available)
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> I saw the tsmuxer button is also available, so possibly AC3/PCM then can
> be muxed together with MPEG-2, similar like I did with FFmpeg in my
> previous "Preserving Camcorder Media" chpt 5 page 17 (23)? Just keep (copy)
> the mpeg2 video as is and transcode the MP2 audio to AC3/ PCM.
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internals on cinelerra(-gg) do not carry info about Group of Pictures from
input asset to output one so copying compressed mpeg2 stream is not
possible currently.
> Yes, the standard compliant MPEG-2 for HDV.m2t source profile is here:
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> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv07_05.m2t':
> Duration: 00:06:58.27, start: 3276.528000, bitrate: 25626 kb/s
> Program 100
> Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25
> fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s
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> mediainfo hdv07_05.m2t
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> General
> ID : 255 (0xFF)
> Complete name : hdv07_05.m2t
> Format : MPEG-TS
> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> File size : 1.25 GiB
> Duration : 6 min 57 s
> Start time : 2007-08-28 14:53:13 UTC
> End time : 2007-08-28 14:53:13 UTC /
> 2007-08-28 14:53:14 UTC / 2007-08-28 14:53:14 UTC / 2007-08-28 14:53:14 UTC
> / 2007-08-28
> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
> Overall bit rate : 25.6 Mb/s
> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s
> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
> Encoded date : 2007-08-28 14:53:13 UTC
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> Video
> ID : 2064 (0x810)
> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> Format : MPEG Video
> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> Format version : Version 2
> Format profile : Main at High 1440
> Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP
> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
> Format settings, Matrix : Custom
> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
> Codec ID : 2
> Duration : 6 min 57 s
> Bit rate mode : Constant
> Bit rate : 24.0 Mb/s
> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
> Width : 1 440 pixels
> Height : 1 080 pixels
> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
> Standard : Component
> Color space : YUV
> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
> Bit depth : 8 bits
> Scan type : Interlaced
> Scan order : Top Field First
> Compression mode : Lossy
> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.617
> Stream size : 1.17 GiB (93%)
> Color primaries : BT.709
> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
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> Audio
> ID : 2068 (0x814)
> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> Format : MPEG Audio
> Format version : Version 1
> Format profile : Layer 2
> Codec ID : 3
> Duration : 6 min 57 s
> Bit rate mode : Constant
> Bit rate : 384 kb/s
> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
> Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
> Compression mode : Lossy
> Delay relative to video : -144 ms
> Stream size : 19.1 MiB (1%)
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> Menu
> ID : 129 (0x81)
> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> Format : MPEG Video / MPEG Audio / /
> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) /
> 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
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so idea to test is to manually tweak selected video codec to this profile
in popped-up batchrender window (using small wrench icon) and fixup bd.sh
afterwards when it errors out (not sure if mpeg2 can hang from same pid as
h264 - forgot it all!)
main profile to tweak should be
ffmpeg/video/mpeg2_hq.mpeg
mpeg mpeg2video
sc_threshold=-30000
dc=11
bf=2
trellis=2
mbd=rd
cmp=2
subcmp=2
b=4000000
so you ramp up b to 2500000, set g=15 and probably add other options. And
save as another profile :;)
I'll try to look at mlt/openshot, they probably had hdv mpeg2 spelled out ..
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