<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Would it be worth GG's time to add "roll up" and "roll down" choices to mimic the original behavior?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:42 PM Sam <<a href="mailto:cinelerra@posteo.de">cinelerra@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I watched the Igor's video. I don't like working with locked
tracks, so I thought my suggestion would be a nice addition. On
second thought, it makes sense the way you described it. I agree
with Igor and Pierre's opinion that previous behaviour is more
useful. Here are two videos that show the differences between old
and new behaviour. <br>
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<p>Old: <a href="https://streamable.com/0nxukf" target="_blank">https://streamable.com/0nxukf</a></p>
<p>New: <a href="https://streamable.com/xjaggs" target="_blank">https://streamable.com/xjaggs</a></p>
<p>Sam<br>
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<p><br>
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<div>Am 01.07.20 um 22:37 schrieb Phyllis
Smith:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Igor, (I was
hoping the problem had to do with disarmed tracks.) I can not
convince GG that it should not be changed back.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Here is GG's
logic looking at your 1st 3 lines in YouTube moving tracks
example:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed Credits
Track 1<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed Intro
Track 2<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Armed VFX_Text
Track 3<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">OK, you use "Move <b>Up</b>":<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Moving VFX_Text up by
1 track means it should go from Track 3 minus 1 = Track 2
(up = minus 1 / down means +1)<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Moving Intro up by
1 track means it should go from Track 2 minus 1 = Track 1
(up = minus 1 / down means +1)</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">So now Credits has
only 1 way to go up and that is all the way to the bottom</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><i>This is the only consistent
logic. Previously once you got to the top you "swapped"
the 2 tracks -- that is not a "move up".</i></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><i> </i></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Another example going further
down in your video:</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed VFX Arrow
Track #5 "move up" goes to Track #6 ??? -- makes
more logic sense to go to Track 5 - 1 = Track 4</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">
(this looks like "move down", not up)</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed VFX AnimLine
Track #7 "move up" goes to Track #9 ??? -- makes
more logic sense to got to Track 7 - 1 = Track 6<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:43 PM
Igor BEGHETTO <<a href="mailto:igorbeg@visi1.org" target="_blank">igorbeg@visi1.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It
doesn't matter in which Gang mode you are. For me, it doesn't
depends <br>
by group of audio tracks.<br>
MoveUp and MoveDown work (I should say, worked in previous
release) with <br>
Armed tracks.<br>
No new shortcuts are needed because the movement of the tracks
is based <br>
on the armed tracks.<br>
So you can move whatever you want including a video track with
its two <br>
(or more) audio tracks,<br>
even though not close.<br>
<br>
If you have a few of time, could you compare Cin_20200531 with
<br>
Cin_20200630, please?<br>
<br>
=== CASE_1 =======================================<br>
State t=0<br>
-V3 (disarmed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (armed)<br>
-A1 (armed)<br>
-A2 (armed)<br>
<br>
State t=1 after Shift+UpArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V3 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (armed) | -V1 (armed)<br>
-A1 (armed) | -A1 (armed)<br>
-A2 (armed) | -A2 (armed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -V3 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=== Case_2 =======================================<br>
State t=0<br>
-V3 (armed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
State t=1 after Shift+DownArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -A2 (disarmed)<br>
-V3 (armed) | -V3 (armed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed) | -V1 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed) | -A1 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
State t=2 after Shift+DownArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -A1 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed) | -A2 (disarmed)<br>
-V3 (armed) | -V3 (armed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed) | -V1 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
IgorBeg<br>
<br>
PS: I don't know if a new, or more, screencast can help.<br>
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