<div dir="ltr">I apologize for answering Phyllis's question without being a veteran user, but to Phyllis's question about GG timing, the tracks, both before and now, can be moved and sorted as a user wishes. I think there are more important things, like improving the subject of inserting clips in a track with the speed values modified from the line for that purpose, or developing an effect to manipulate the speed of a specific clip, with the possibility to synchronize with an effect for the same purpose in the audio clips and to be able to change the duration of this without changing the pitch (timestretch). I think spending time on these things would help a lot more to maintain Cinelerra's status in the professional video editing sphere than spending time on the order of tracks, which as I said, I only usually do this in the beginning, when I prepare the project to work, and very rarely, during production.<br><span class="gmail-tlid-translation gmail-translation" tabindex="-1" lang="en">I apologize, Igor, for getting me into the conversation and expressing my opinion, my intention is to help in any way I can.<br>Regards.</span></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El jue., 2 jul. 2020 a las 3:40, Phyllis Smith (<<a href="mailto:phylsmith2017@gmail.com">phylsmith2017@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Would it be worth GG's time to add "roll up" and "roll down" choices to mimic the original behavior?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:42 PM Sam <<a href="mailto:cinelerra@posteo.de" target="_blank">cinelerra@posteo.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I watched the Igor's video. I don't like working with locked
tracks, so I thought my suggestion would be a nice addition. On
second thought, it makes sense the way you described it. I agree
with Igor and Pierre's opinion that previous behaviour is more
useful. Here are two videos that show the differences between old
and new behaviour. <br>
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<p>Old: <a href="https://streamable.com/0nxukf" target="_blank">https://streamable.com/0nxukf</a></p>
<p>New: <a href="https://streamable.com/xjaggs" target="_blank">https://streamable.com/xjaggs</a></p>
<p>Sam<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Igor, (I was
hoping the problem had to do with disarmed tracks.) I can not
convince GG that it should not be changed back.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Here is GG's
logic looking at your 1st 3 lines in YouTube moving tracks
example:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed Credits
Track 1<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed Intro
Track 2<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Armed VFX_Text
Track 3<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">OK, you use "Move <b>Up</b>":<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Moving VFX_Text up by
1 track means it should go from Track 3 minus 1 = Track 2
(up = minus 1 / down means +1)<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Moving Intro up by
1 track means it should go from Track 2 minus 1 = Track 1
(up = minus 1 / down means +1)</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">So now Credits has
only 1 way to go up and that is all the way to the bottom</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><i>This is the only consistent
logic. Previously once you got to the top you "swapped"
the 2 tracks -- that is not a "move up".</i></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><i> </i></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Another example going further
down in your video:</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed VFX Arrow
Track #5 "move up" goes to Track #6 ??? -- makes
more logic sense to go to Track 5 - 1 = Track 4</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">
(this looks like "move down", not up)</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace">Disarmed VFX AnimLine
Track #7 "move up" goes to Track #9 ??? -- makes
more logic sense to got to Track 7 - 1 = Track 6<br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:43 PM
Igor BEGHETTO <<a href="mailto:igorbeg@visi1.org" target="_blank">igorbeg@visi1.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It
doesn't matter in which Gang mode you are. For me, it doesn't
depends <br>
by group of audio tracks.<br>
MoveUp and MoveDown work (I should say, worked in previous
release) with <br>
Armed tracks.<br>
No new shortcuts are needed because the movement of the tracks
is based <br>
on the armed tracks.<br>
So you can move whatever you want including a video track with
its two <br>
(or more) audio tracks,<br>
even though not close.<br>
<br>
If you have a few of time, could you compare Cin_20200531 with
<br>
Cin_20200630, please?<br>
<br>
=== CASE_1 =======================================<br>
State t=0<br>
-V3 (disarmed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (armed)<br>
-A1 (armed)<br>
-A2 (armed)<br>
<br>
State t=1 after Shift+UpArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V3 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (armed) | -V1 (armed)<br>
-A1 (armed) | -A1 (armed)<br>
-A2 (armed) | -A2 (armed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -V3 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=== Case_2 =======================================<br>
State t=0<br>
-V3 (armed)<br>
-V2 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
State t=1 after Shift+DownArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -A2 (disarmed)<br>
-V3 (armed) | -V3 (armed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed) | -V1 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed) | -A1 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
State t=2 after Shift+DownArrow<br>
Cin_20200531 | Cin_20200630<br>
-----------------+--------------<br>
-V2 (disarmed) | -A1 (disarmed)<br>
-V1 (disarmed) | -A2 (disarmed)<br>
-V3 (armed) | -V3 (armed)<br>
-A1 (disarmed) | -V2 (disarmed)<br>
-A2 (disarmed) | -V1 (disarmed)<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
IgorBeg<br>
<br>
PS: I don't know if a new, or more, screencast can help.<br>
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