<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Interesting discussion so far -- it has been awhile since any controversy has arisen!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">IgorBeg -- I understand your point and the desire to keep things more standard.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Pierre -- thanks for your professional input, as always.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Andrew -- thanks for all of the references as I was really dubious about 72 as it is just a weird number.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Gorge -- my goal is to make Cinelerra usable for anyone and remove limitations if it can be easily done which Andrew did nicely. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> There are already enough things that Cinelerra can not do and never will be able to.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Since most users will not scroll down in the Format "frame rate" options, they won't even know the higher rates are there so hopefully Igor can live with this. ...Phyllis<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 1:02 PM gorge rankin via Cin <<a href="mailto:cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org">cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br>"<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">If an User uses a no standard frame rate She/He may have problem to play it somewhere."</span><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">It's not the job of developer's to "protect from a what if". respectfully that is straw man.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">"</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">If You, like me, think that Cinelerra-GG is a professional program</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"> ..."</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">No I don't think of it that way. And the cinelerra website itself *IS* advertising to "novice" users.</span></div><div><a href="https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/about-cinelerra-gg/" target="_blank">https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/about-cinelerra-gg/</a> <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"><br></span></div><div>First paragraph:</div><div>"<span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Futura,"Trebuchet MS",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">However, with only a little bit of introduction, even a novice will be able to create simple artful videos."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Futura,"Trebuchet MS",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Futura,"Trebuchet MS",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">"</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">IMHO, all of you can make a screencast with screen recorder at any (?) frame rate you want but when you use a NLE the Format Project should use the standard frame rates."</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">Now you're imposing the use case of free software. Reminds me of the elitest gnome dev's but I digress.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">Look, at the end of the day, this is a "NOTHING BURGER".</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">1. Screencasters such as OBS record using FFMpeg</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">2. The video from cin gg is rendered using FFMpeg.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">3. FFMpeg is designed to this.</span></div><div><br></div><div>It's working for me here even with nVidia CUDA as well. I'm even able to output ffmpeg raw yuv and pipe it to ffmpeg binary and no issues.</div><div><br></div><div>While 90, or 144 may not be standard in your industry as a "Pro". What if a "Pro" like yourself is hired to work for someone at Twitch. Guess what, you would be given source material well past the norm's you state.</div><div><br></div><div>If a linux gamer, who games at 240 hz on *their* pc wants to use Cinelerra to edit game footage at 144hz on their pc, why not allow them? FFmpeg can handle it. Shotcut, Kdenlive do it already. </div><div><br></div><div>The only reason YT uses 60 FPS is, because they have not gotten around to upping the FPS. HTML5 can handle way above that.</div><div><br></div><div>I think it better to be forward thinking, than impose standards of one industry only. And higher framerate camera's will eventually reduce in price that they are the norm as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Else, I guess we should simply change Cinelerra's site to say "go use someone else" , or close the doors.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Futura,"Trebuchet MS",Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 4:06 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin <<a href="mailto:cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org" target="_blank">cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">What I know 72, 90, and
144 are not standard frame rates. I don't remember for 100 fps,
seems to me not.<br>
I think only standard frame rates should be taken into
consideration by Cinelerra-GG, otherwise what is a standard for?<br>
If an User uses a no standard frame rate She/He may have problem
to play it somewhere.<br>
If You, like me, think that Cinelerra-GG is a professional program
(I would say mostly Prosumer) only the standard frame rate should
be there to avoid future/next problem with users (and broadcast).
And could it happen for Video/Audio sync?<br>
IMHO, all of you can make a screencast with screen recorder at any
(?) frame rate you want but when you use a NLE the Format Project
should use the standard frame rates.<br>
What I know Cinelerra-GG may work with any source frame rate but
the Project Format should be conformed to standards.<br>
The check on the frame rate that Cinelerra-GG performs are just
for that.<br>
Sorry if I think so.<br>
<br>
I would like to know by Pierre, Sam, RafaMar and other Professionl
Video Editor what they think about it.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
IgorBeg</font><br>
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Il 18/06/2021 15:46, Andrea paz via Cin ha scritto:
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<pre>cool! Did you tried to import resulted files back into Cingg and try to proxy them?)
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<pre>Rendered again at 144 fps ==> OK; closed CinGG; start CinGG ; load the
file mp4 at 144 fps (1080p) ==> OK
Proxy a 1/2 default (mpeg) ==> error:
int FFMPEG::open_encoder(const char*, const char*):
check_frame_rate failed
/home/paz/video_editing/prova/CinGG-std-test.proxy2-mp4.mpeg
proxy: failed=1 canceled=0
int ProxyRender::create_needed_proxies(int):
Error making proxy.
proxy: failed=0 canceled=0
(The proxies are 2 because in the timeline I had created a clip and
then brought it back into the timeline as a nested clip, appended to
the previous edit.)
Created a proxy in mov.mov (1/2) ==> OK
Done various editing with proxy/original ==> OK
Deleted the proxy ==> OK
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