<br><br>On Sunday, December 19, 2021, Terje J. Hanssen <<a href="mailto:terjejhanssen@gmail.com">terjejhanssen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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Den 18.12.2021 04:35, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:<br>
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On Saturday, December 18, 2021, Terje J. Hanssen <<a href="mailto:terjejhanssen@gmail.com" target="_blank">terjejhanssen@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:terjejhanssen@gmail.com" target="_blank">terjejhanssen@gmail.co<wbr>m</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Den 17.12.2021 22:49, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:<br>
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On Saturday, December 18, 2021, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin<br>
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Den 17.12.2021 15:00, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:<br>
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Den 17.12.2021 04:58, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:<br>
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On Friday, December 17, 2021, Terje J. Hanssen<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:terjejhanssen@gmail.com" target="_blank">terjejhanssen@gmail.co<wbr>m</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
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<br>
I-frame-only 50 Megabit MPEG-2 or comparable<br>
DV50 in<br>
4:2:2 as<br>
high-end, "visually lossless" intermediate<br>
format for<br>
archival and<br>
suited for editing?<br>
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Regarding DV50, FFMpeg has a friendly "target<br>
dv50"<br>
support<br>
(similar as "target DVD"). So to get a first<br>
look on a<br>
DV50 test<br>
file, I simply transcoded 422/10bit Video and PCM<br>
audio from a MOV<br>
file (ProRes 422HQ) to a raw DV50 (422/8bit) file:<br>
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ffmpeg -i SD-MOV.mov -target pal-dv50<br>
SD-DV50.dv<br>
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[......]<br>
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205M SD-DV50.dv (ffmpeg re-encoded/remuxed)<br>
AV-info:<br>
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avprobe SD-DV50.dv<br>
avprobe version 12.3, Copyright (c) 2007-2018 the<br>
Libav developers<br>
built on Mar 26 2018 12:39 with gcc 11 (SUSE<br>
Linux)<br>
[dv @ 0x55cdddb96440] Estimating duration from<br>
bitrate, this may<br>
be inaccurate<br>
Input #0, dv, from 'SD-DV50.dv':<br>
Metadata:<br>
timecode : 00:00:00:00<br>
Duration: 00:00:29.80, start: 0.000000, bitrate:<br>
57600 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv422p,<br>
720x576 [SAR<br>
16:15 DAR<br>
4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc<br>
Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo,<br>
s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:2: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo,<br>
s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
# avprobe output<br>
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As seen above, it looks like ffmpeg produced wrong<br>
meta data for<br>
the DV50 video bitrate (25 Mb/s=DV25), while<br>
the total<br>
bitrate<br>
57.6 Mb/s is correct. (Also similar was seen with<br>
ffprobe and<br>
Mediainfo).<br>
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My VLC player or Gnome movieplayer did not<br>
playback<br>
the DV50 file,<br>
while ffplay did (as usual without audio?).<br>
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Cin-GG miss a DV50 preset among format setting.<br>
However DV50 else<br>
loades preliminary OK in Cin-GG (via ffmpeg).<br>
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I'll look at dv50 output preset..<br>
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Fine<br>
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I tried also to transcode and remux 422 Video and PCM<br>
Audio to a<br>
50 Mbps MPEG-2 I-frame only program stream.<br>
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1) MPG From MOV (ProRes 422HQ)<br>
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ffmpeg -i SD-MOV.mov -c:v mpeg2video -bf 2 -b:v 50M<br>
-maxrate 50M<br>
-minrate 50M -c:a pcm_s16be -f vob SD-MP2I-50.mpg<br>
[....]<br>
Stream mapping:<br>
Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (prores (native) -> mpeg2video (native))<br>
Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (pcm_s24le (native) -> pcm_s16be<br>
(native))<br>
Press [q] to stop, [?] for help<br>
[mpeg2video @ 0x560ffd164ec0] Automatically choosing VBV<br>
buffer<br>
size of 746 kbyte<br>
[vob @ 0x560ffd14d180] At most 8 channels allowed for LPCM<br>
streams.<br>
Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec<br>
parameters ?): Invalid argument<br>
Error initializing output stream 0:1 --<br>
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***This failed because PreRes Audio uses 16 channels:***<br>
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yeah... interesting limitation.. and interesting number of<br>
channels..<br>
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ffprobe SD-MOV.mov 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep Stream.*Audio<br>
Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: pcm_s24le (lpcm / 0x6D63706C),<br>
48000<br>
Hz, 16 channels, s32 (24 bit), 18432 kb/s (default)<br>
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2) MPG from DV50<br>
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ffmpeg -i SD-DV50.dv -c:v mpeg2video -bf 2 -b:v 50M<br>
-maxrate 50M<br>
-minrate 50M -c:a pcm_s16be -f vob SD-MP2I-50.mpg<br>
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du -sh *<br>
205M SD-DV50.dv<br>
284M SD-MOV.mov<br>
186M SD-MP2I-50.mpg<br>
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avprobe SD-MP2I-50.mpg<br>
Input #0, mpeg, from 'SD-MP2I-50.mpg':<br>
Duration: 00:00:29.77, start: 0.540000, bitrate: 52167 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (4:2:2), yuv422p(tv,<br>
progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 50000 kb/s, 25<br>
fps, 25<br>
tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc<br>
Stream #0:1[0xa0]: Audio: pcm_dvd, 48000 Hz, 2<br>
channels, s16,<br>
1536 kb/s<br>
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***** The SD-MP2I-50.mpg file size is here 90% of DV50<br>
********<br>
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The SD-MP2I-50.mpg playback ok with VLC, Gnome movieplayer,<br>
ffplay, and loads and playback in Cin-GG<br>
The audio volume seems low (weak), but can probably be<br>
adjusted<br>
higher with ffmpeg<br>
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well, but I missed keyframe parameter? bitrate is big but I<br>
think without special param ffmpeg still will not make all-I<br>
mpeg2 stream..?<br>
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The first Video part of my ffmpeg script was based on this<br>
standard FFmpeg Howto for<br>
"MPEG-2 I-frame only Highest Quality Encoding", which didn't<br>
include a keyframe parameter !?<br>
<a href="https://brunosan.eu/images/ffmpeg_howto.html#Encoding_MPEG-2_I-frame_only_in_Highest_Quality" target="_blank">https://brunosan.eu/images/ffm<wbr>peg_howto.html#Encoding_MPEG-<wbr>2_I-frame_only_in_Highest_<wbr>Quality</a><br>
<<a href="https://brunosan.eu/images/ffmpeg_howto.html#Encoding_MPEG-2_I-frame_only_in_Highest_Quality" target="_blank">https://brunosan.eu/images/ff<wbr>mpeg_howto.html#Encoding_MPEG-<wbr>2_I-frame_only_in_Highest_<wbr>Quality</a>><br>
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ffmpeg -i <input_file> -vcodec mpeg2video -pix_fmt yuv422p -qscale<br>
1 -qmin 1 -intra -an output.m2v<br>
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you missed<br>
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-intra?<br>
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Thanks for reviewing. "-intra" should definitely be there, and I know I used it before editing and troubleshooting the audiopart, removing -an. Cleaned up and added also some other parameters<br>
-q:v 1 -qmin 1 -intra<br>
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3) MP2I50 from DV50:<br>
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ffmpeg -i SD-DV50.dv -c:v mpeg2video -q:v 1 -qmin 1 -intra -bf 2 -b:v 50M -maxrate 50M -minrate 50M -c:a pcm_s16be -f vob SD-MP2I50.mpg<br>
[...]<br>
Input #0, dv, from 'SD-DV50.dv':<br>
Metadata:<br>
timecode : 00:00:00:00<br>
Duration: 00:00:29.80, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 57600 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv422p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc<br>
Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:2: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
[... a lot of vob buffer messages scrolling ....]<br>
[vob @ 0x564dbf6a0680] packet too large, ignoring buffer limits to mux it<br>
[vob @ 0x564dbf6a0680] buffer underflow st=1 bufi=7204 size=7680<br>
frame= 745 fps=460 q=1.0 Lsize= 189584kB time=00:00:29.76 bitrate=52186.6kbits/s speed=18.4x<br>
video:181698kB audio:5588kB subtitle:0kB other streams:0kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead: 1.227127%<br>
<br>
avprobe SD-MP2I50.mpg<br>
avprobe version 12.3, Copyright (c) 2007-2018 the Libav developers<br>
built on Mar 26 2018 12:39 with gcc 7 (SUSE Linux)<br>
Input #0, mpeg, from 'SD-MP2I50.mpg':<br>
Duration: 00:00:29.80, start: 0.540000, bitrate: 52116 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (4:2:2), yuv422p(tv, progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 50000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc<br>
Stream #0:1[0xa0]: Audio: pcm_dvd, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
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(Re)tested also with<br>
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4) No intra (-intra)<br>
ffmpeg -i SD-DV50.dv -c:v mpeg2video -bf 2 -b:v 50M -maxrate 50M -minrate 50M -c:a pcm_s16be -f vob SD-MP2-50.mpg<br>
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5) Without specified Video bitrate (-b:v)<br>
ffmpeg -i SD-DV50.dv -c:v mpeg2video -q:v 1 -qmin 1 -intra -bf 2 -c:a pcm_s16be -f vob SD-MP2I-.mpg<br>
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6) Video only - no Audio (-an):<br>
ffmpeg -i SD-DV50.dv -vcodec mpeg2video -q:v 1 -qmin 1 -intra -an SD-MP2I50-an.m2v<br>
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du -sh *<br>
284M SD-MOV.mov<br>
205M SD-DV50.dv<br>
186M SD-MP2I50.mpg (3)<br>
186M SD-MP2-50.mpg (4)<br>
153M SD-MP2I-.mpg (5)<br>
146M SD-MP2I50-an.m2v (6)<br>
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As seen, no size difference between -intra (3) and without intra flag specified (4) above:<br>
186/205 = 90% size of the input SD-DV50.dv<br>
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I would expect this due to high bitrate and some more effectiv video compression for MPEG-2 over DV50.<br>
While the consumer DV25/4:2:0 pal uses 5:1 intra compression, the pro(sumer) DV50/4:2:2 uses lower 3.3:1.<br>
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7) Another, equivalent SD MPEG-2/ 422P@ML option to setup for Cin-GG/ FFMpeg preset could be:<br>
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D10 aka Sony IMX50 Encoding - a standard definition professional video recording format. Uses intraframe<br>
compression, 4:2:2 color subsampling and user-selectable constant video data rate of 30, 40 or 50 Mbit/s.<br>
<br>
422P@ML 720 × 576 25 FPS 4:2:2 Sampling 50 Mbits/s<br>
Sony IMX50 (I only), Broadcast Contribution (I&P only)<br>
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The Howto contains both a short and a long script version.<br>
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ffmpeg changes cmd line and API quickly.. (<br>
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try "-g 1" and check keyframes with some linevlike those?<br>
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<a href="https://snippets.bentasker.co.uk/page-1707191206-Get-Video-Keyframe-Interval-(ffprobe)-BASH.html" target="_blank">https://snippets.bentasker.co.<wbr>uk/page-1707191206-Get-Video-K<wbr>eyframe-Interval-(ffprobe)-BAS<wbr>H.html</a> <<a href="https://snippets.bentasker.co.uk/page-1707191206-Get-Video-Keyframe-Interval-(ffprobe)-BASH.html" target="_blank">https://snippets.bentasker.co<wbr>.uk/page-1707191206-Get-Video-<wbr>Keyframe-Interval-(ffprobe)-<wbr>BASH.html</a>><br>
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I tried to copy and paste some line from the manual url, but<br>
If you possibly can setup an exact FF syntax to run here, I can do it ;)</blockquote><div><br></div><div>attached copy of script Phyllis send to me back in 2019</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I dropped -pix_fmt yuv422p when I saw it was detected and<br>
automatic from the input file.<br>
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So I added the second PCM Audio part (similar I did for SD-DV)<br>
according to 1. Answer at<br>
<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48265448/mpeg-2-program-stream-w-pcm-audio" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/ques<wbr>tions/48265448/mpeg-2-program-<wbr>stream-w-pcm-audio</a><br>
<<a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48265448/mpeg-2-program-stream-w-pcm-audio" target="_blank">https://stackoverflow.com/que<wbr>stions/48265448/mpeg-2-program<wbr>-stream-w-pcm-audio</a>><br>
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FFmpeg only supports muxing 16 bit PCM in a MPEG2 PS. Use<br>
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ffmpeg -i "input.mov" \<br>
-c:v mpeg2video -pix_fmt yuv422p -bf 2 -b:v 50M -maxrate 50M<br>
-minrate 50M \<br>
-s 1920x1080 -aspect 16:9 \<br>
-c:a pcm_s16be -f vob "output.mpg"<br>
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The -f vob is needed to force a MPEG-2 PS, else ffmpeg will select<br>
MPEG-1 Systems muxer.<br>
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