<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">ср, 31 мая 2023 г., 00:41 Terje J. Hanssen <<a href="mailto:terjejhanssen@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">terjejhanssen@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<br>
<br>
<div>Den 30.05.2023 15:19, skrev Terje J.
Hanssen:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Interlaced and/or Deinterlaced continued:<br>
- I'll add a good reference and some old background threads:<br>
<br>
What is deinterlacing? The best method to deinterlace movies<br>
<a href="http://www.100fps.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.100fps.com/</a><br>
<br>
[CinCV TNG] Deinterlacing or not?<br>
<a href="https://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/pipermail/cinelerra/2016q2/004926.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/pipermail/cinelerra/2016q2/004926.html</a><br>
<br>
[CinCVS] Interlacing, DVD <br>
<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg06692.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg06692.html</a><br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=interlace&l=cinelerra%40skolelinux.no" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=interlace&l=cinelerra%40skolelinux.no</a><br>
<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=deinterlace&l=cinelerra%40skolelinux.no" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=deinterlace&l=cinelerra%40skolelinux.no</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>Den 30.05.2023 03:34, skrev Terje J.
Hanssen:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
<br>
<div>Den 29.05.2023 22:47, skrev Phyllis
Smith:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">More
feedback to add to Andrew's reply.</span></div>
<div dir="auto"> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div> <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Using Deinterlace creates a dvd.mpg
file only marginally larger than without deinterlacing. <br>
But the result is visually better than without
deinterlacing, which is awful jagged at camera movements
zoom/pan, at least on my 2560x1440 res monitor using VLC. <br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
do not understand the above sentence. Which result is
better? with deinterlacing or without deinterlacing?</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So
Progressive is better? which makes more sense to me in
this day and age. As far as I read on the internet,
DVDs can be either Progressive or Interlaced.</span></div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Leaving it dvd rendering interlaced is worst jagged; selecting
deinterlaced is better both with default mpeg2enc ("TFF,
interlaced") and optional FFMpeg (progressive). Some of the
jagged edges and lines is expected to be caused by the scaled up
low vertical SD wide resolution.<br>
I didn't notice visible +/- chroma difference by selecting "use
yuv420p dvd deinterlace format"<br>
<br>
I will try to compare with DeVeDe's deinterlace YADIF filter and
two pass rendering.<br>
(DeVeDe's second FFMPEG deinterlace filter exited the dvd
rendering.)<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
In comparision with Cin rendering, the DeVeDe dual pass with YADIF
deinterlacing did compress the movie_0.mpg more and it was
verified as progressive. All progressive dvd video qualities were
visual comparable.<br>
<br>
<blockquote><font face="monospace">du -sh dvd-wide-*/*.mpg
dvd-wide-*/*/movie*.mpg</font><br>
<font face="monospace">598M
dvd-wide-dv01_20230526-225332/dvd.mpg</font><br>
<font face="monospace">598M
dvd-wide-dv01-ffmpeg_20230527-000911/dvd.mpg</font><br>
<font face="monospace">380M
dvd-wide-dv01-dualpass-yadif/movies/movie_0.mpg</font><br>
<br>
<font face="monospace">mediainfo dvd-wide-*/*.mpg
dvd-wide-*/*/movie*.mpg | grep Scan</font><br>
<font face="monospace">Scan type
: Progressive</font><br>
<font face="monospace">Scan type
: Progressive</font><br>
<font face="monospace">Scan type
: Progressive</font><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Regarding Dvd Interlaced Chroma:<br>
Possibly PAL dv 4.2.0 is more pleasant for MPEG-2/DVD 4.2.0 than
NTSC dv 4:1:1 (?</blockquote>
<br>
Add also two references to the latter:<br>
<br>
CinCV manual: Notes on mpeg video encoding (mpeg2enc)<br>
<a href="http://cinelerra-cv.wikidot.com/cincv-manual-en:loading-saving#11" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cinelerra-cv.wikidot.com/cincv-manual-en:loading-saving#11</a><br>
<br>
Frank's thougt on HDV: Comments on transcoding from DV25 to MPEG-2
for DVD-Video<br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080125111318/http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/#dv25" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20080125111318/http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/#dv25</a></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wow, this one is nearly 300 pages when saved as pdf (yay for firefox mobile devs for re-including 'save as pdf' in mobile ff too!)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">According to this page, some cameras used 1-254 digital levels, as opposed to 16-235 ...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">===</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">IEC 61966-2-4 standard is based upon the older ITU-R BT.709-5 standard and encompases a range of colors that is approximately 1.8 times greater than the older standard, essentially including the full gamut of colors that can be understood by the human visual system. Instead of 8-bit color representation being limited to a range of values extending from 16 (black) to 235 (white), a value range of 1 through 254 is used. Values of 0 and 255 don't carry color information, as they are used for synchronization purposes. The HDMI 1.3 specification includes support for the IEC 61966-2-4 standard, and Sony now offers HDTVs that can display 61966-2-4 color. The Sony BDP-S1 BD (Blu-ray Disc) player also supports IEC 61966-2-4 color.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">====</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">so this battle for wider color was already on for quite some time!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br>
<br>
The latter is also a valuable recource to several, now legacy HDV
camcorders (my Sony HDR-FX7E included)<br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080125111318/http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20080125111318/http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote></div></div></div>