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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Den 12.02.2024 00:07, skrev Andrew
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">пн, 12 февр. 2024 г.,
              02:02 Terje J. Hanssen <<a
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                <div>Den 11.02.2024 04:36, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:<br>
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                  <div>Den 11.02.2024 00:57, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">сб, 10 февр.
                            2024 г., 21:10 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <<a
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                            <div> There are two things I want to add to
                              my current intermediate DVD mpg video
                              files created with ffmpeg, and/or to the
                              DVD tree structure created with DeVeDeNG:<br>
                              <blockquote>1. Create and add a Navigation
                                menu in the beginning<br>
                                This will be an upcoming, separate topic<br>
                                <br>
                                2. Create and add Soft Subtitles as
                                simple text info commentaries to the
                                video content<br>
                                This is the topic for this post.<br>
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                              The reason that I want <b>Soft</b>
                              Subtitles as a separate text file stream
                              related to timing, is because this should
                              be possible to <b>add</b> or import to an
                              existing video file  without the need to
                              re-encode. It should also be flexible to
                              display on or off during playback, if I
                              have understood this correct so far.<br>
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                      <div dir="auto">IIRC you can't add text-based
                        subtitles to DVD video. Blu-ray yes, dvd no
                        (both can use palletized reduced-color graphical
                        subtitles) ... so at least rendering text as
                        palletized picture and then muxing it into mpeg
                        stream is unavoidable step,as far as I
                        understand.</div>
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                  I have prepared a new video file and will try to add
                  sub-titles to-morrow <br>
                  <a
href="http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/subtitles.html#_how_to_create_soft_subtitles"
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                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/subtitles.html#_how_to_create_soft_subtitles</a><br>
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                There are written several articles and answers to forum
                topics about adding soft subtitles to video. <br>
                My best but only partly working attempt so far, is by
                applying this solution on StackOverflow: <br>
                <br>
                <i>Use ffmpeg to add text subtitles: NOTE: This solution
                  adds the subtitles to the video as a separate optional
                  (and user-controlled) subtitle track.<br>
                  <a
href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8672809/use-ffmpeg-to-add-text-subtitles"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8672809/use-ffmpeg-to-add-text-subtitles</a><br>
                  <br>
                </i>1) First I created a DVD-video compliant MPG file
                with pcm audio from DV source (as previously)<br>
                <br>
                <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffmpeg
                  -hide_banner -i DV09-1993.dv -f dvd -target pal-dvd
                  -aspect 4:3 -b:v 8M -maxrate 8M -minrate 8M -bufsize
                  20M -muxrate 20M -mbd rd -trellis 1 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2
                  -c:a pcm_dvd DV09-1993.mpg</font><br>
                <br>
                <br>
                2) Created the attached srt subtitle file: <br>
                <blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">DVD-09-1993_subtitle.srt</font><br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                <br>
                3) Added (muxed) the soft, external subtitle file (2) as
                a separate track to the mpg video file (1)<br>
                <br>
                <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffmpeg
                  -hide_banner -i DV09-1993.mpg -i
                  DVD-09-1993_subtitle.srt -c:v copy -c:a copy -c:s copy
                  DV09-1993+srt.mpg<br>
                </font>
                <blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[mpeg
                    @ 0x55aac13139c0] start time for stream 0 is not set
                    in estimate_timings_from_pts</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Input #0,
                    mpeg, from 'DV09-1993.mpg':</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> 
                    Duration: 00:28:04.44, start: 0.540000, bitrate:
                    9701 kb/s</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:0[0x1bf]: Data: dvd_nav_packet</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:1[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
                    progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 25 fps,
                    25 tbr, 90k tbn</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">    Side
                    data:</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">     
                    cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 9000000/0/0 buffer size:
                    1835008 vbv_delay: N/A</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:2[0xa0]: Audio: pcm_dvd, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16,
                    1536 kb/s</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Input #1,
                    srt, from 'DVD-09-1993_subtitle.srt':</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> 
                    Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #1:0: Subtitle: subrip</font><br>
                  <br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[mpeg @
                    0x55aac134b140] pcm_dvd in MPEG-1 system streams is
                    not widely supported, consider using the vob or the
                    dvd muxer to force a MPEG-2 program stream.</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Output
                    #0, mpeg, to 'DV09-1993+srt.mpg':</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> 
                    Metadata:</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">   
                    encoder         : Lavf60.16.100</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:0: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
                    progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], q=2-31,
                    25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">    Side
                    data:</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">     
                    cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 9000000/0/0 buffer size:
                    1835008 vbv_delay: N/A</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:1: Audio: pcm_dvd, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536
                    kb/s</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:2: Subtitle: subrip</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Stream
                    mapping:</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:1 -> #0:0 (copy)</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:2 -> #0:1 (copy)</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #1:0 -> #0:2 (copy)</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Press [q]
                    to stop, [?] for help</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[out#0/mpeg
                    @ 0x55aac134af80] video:1644910kB audio:316303kB
                    subtitle:0kB other streams:0kB global headers:0kB
                    muxing overhead: 0.561824%</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">size=
                    1972232kB time=00:28:04.44 bitrate=9591.6kbits/s
                    speed= 378x    </font><br>
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                <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br>
                </font>4) Successful Playback of the final video and
                Audio with subtitles using a "reinforced" FFplay command
                - also found on StackOverflow<br>
                <a
href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50175075/can-ffplay-view-subtitles"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50175075/can-ffplay-view-subtitles</a><br>
                <br>
                <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffplay
                  -hide_banner -vf subtitles=DVD-09-1993_subtitle.srt
                  DV09-1993+srt.mpg<br>
                </font></div>
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        <div dir="auto">isn't this command just uses external srt and
          not muxed one?</div>
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    <br>
    Yes, I think you'r right, and I wondered a bit about it, but had no
    keyboard shortcut for ffplay to test switching subtitles on and off.<br>
    <br>
    So, afterwards I was more convinced - and fooled, when both Gnome
    Media player (Totem) and SMplayer automatically displayed the
    subtitles.<br>
    But that was when the srt subtitle file had the same name as the mpg
    video file and was located in the same directory. But this worked as
    well with the first mpg file (1).<br>
    <br>
    The command line "vlc dvd.mpg dvd.srt" also worked with audio. Why
    both VLC and MPlayer lost the audio with the srt muxed mpg file I
    have no idea about.<br>
    -----------------------------<br>
    <br>
    From your first reply: <br>
    <blockquote>rendering text as palletized picture and then muxing it
      into mpeg stream is unavoidable step,as far as I understand.<br>
      But may be those DVD creation guis can do srt => dvd_sub
      conversion for you ?<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Andrey mentioned the "srt2vobsub" program,  which seems to the same
    as the "srt2vob" script for DVD and "2dsub" for BD vobsub<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130728210155/https://code.google.com/p/srt2vob">https://web.archive.org/web/20130728210155/https://code.google.com/p/srt2vob</a><br>
     <br>
    <br>
    And from my reference to g-raffa: <br>
    <blockquote>PRE-RENDERED SUBTITLES<br>
          they are added (muxed) to the video stream as images with
      minimal information but can be separated (demuxed) when needed.
      They are used in DVDs         and they can be turned on and off.<br>
          Most DVD authoring applications are capable of transcoding
      external subtitles to pre-rendered subtitles and of muxing them to
      the video stream.<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Regarding the last sentece, this article describes the wanted
    solution - but on Linux ...?<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://robots.net/tech/how-to-burn-dvd-with-subtitles-srt/">https://robots.net/tech/how-to-burn-dvd-with-subtitles-srt/</a><br>
    <br>
    while another article points on Handbrake as the best solution for 
    most users (?)<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/how-to-burn-a-dvd-disc-with-subtitles/">https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/how-to-burn-a-dvd-disc-with-subtitles/</a><br>
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    <br>
    Re 8) above<br>
    I also send a request to Raster soft why DeVeDeNG exits with an
    error before finishing the mpg video file and creating the iso.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CA+rFky7c-K8upUxDMtKeO4oRSDaWQEXJn0EgTMMS7CHZpNQFLQ@mail.gmail.com">
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              <div><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> </font>
                <blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Input
                    #0, mpeg, from 'DV09-1993+srt.mpg':=    0KB sq=   
                    0B f=0/0   </font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"> 
                    Duration: 00:28:04.45, start: 0.540000, bitrate:
                    9591 kb/s</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video (Main), yuv420p(tv,
                    progressive), 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 25 fps,
                    25 tbr, 90k tbn</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">    Side
                    data:</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">     
                    cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 9000000/0/0 buffer size:
                    1835008 vbv_delay: N/A</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  Stream
                    #0:1[0xa0]: Audio: pcm_dvd, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16,
                    1536 kb/s</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[Parsed_subtitles_0
                    @ 0x7f7368464340] Shaper: FriBidi 0.19.6 (SIMPLE)
                    HarfBuzz-ng 3.4.0 (COMPLEX)</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[Parsed_subtitles_0
                    @ 0x7f7368464340] Using font provider fontconfig</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[Parsed_subtitles_0
                    @ 0x7f7368464340] fontselect: (Arial, 400, 0) ->
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf, 0, LiberationSans</font><br>
                  <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">  39.75
                    A-V:  0.002 fd=   0 aq=  190KB vq= 1222KB sq=    0B
                    f=0/0   </font><br>
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                <br>
                5) Playback using VLC<br>
                <ul>
                  <li>OK playback of video and subtitles when adding the
                    subtitle file</li>
                  <li>BUT: The AUDIO is lost in VLC !? </li>
                  <li>Have looked into several menu items (unmute and
                    force volume on)</li>
                </ul>
                <br>
                Additional I wonder:<br>
                <br>
                du -sh DV*.mpg<br>
                <blockquote>2,0G    DV09-1993.mpg (1)<br>
                  1,9G    DV09-1993+srt.mpg (3)<br>
                </blockquote>
                6) Why is the merged (subtitled) file (3) smaller than
                the initial file (1)?<br>
                Even that the srt file is very small, it should rather
                be opposite .........<br>
                <br>
                7) And why the ffmpeg output (3), when the initial input
                mpg file (1) was created using "-f dvd -target pal-dvd",
                which I thought was just MPEG-2 and vob?<br>
                <blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">[mpeg
                    @ 0x55aac134b140] pcm_dvd in MPEG-1 system streams
                    is not widely supported, consider using the vob or
                    the dvd muxer to force a MPEG-2 program stream.</font><br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                8) DevedeNG got so far an error while creating the DVD
                iso from (3) <br>
                Tested the movie file in the tree structure with VLC,
                and also that without audio..... <br>
                <br>
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                      <div dir="auto">But may be those DVD creation guis
                        can do srt => dvd_sub conversion for you ?</div>
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                              2.1 Preferably I want to add/import
                              subtitles as fast and easy using GUI
                              interactive tools like DeVeDeNG or VLC if
                              possible?<br>
                              Next thereafter could be using the more
                              time consuming ffmpeg<br>
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href="https://www.baeldung.com/linux/subtitles-ffmpeg#how-to-add-soft-subtitles"
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                              2.2 So is the question if learning a
                              special subtitle editor is necessary to
                              create the text file easier, like one of
                              these 5<br>
                              <a
href="https://www.debugpoint.com/3-great-subtitle-editors-in-linux-systems/"
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                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.debugpoint.com/3-great-subtitle-editors-in-linux-systems/</a><br>
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                              Tip, suggestions or experience how to do
                              this?<br>
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