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2025 г., 19:45 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <<a href="mailto:cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org</a>>:<br>
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<div> I have made another working ffmpeg
command line without "-target pal-dv50" as
seen below, and tried here to <br>
make a video preset for CinGG , but got
errors and have questions:<br>
<br>
A related example: <br>
Is it a reason why Cingg preset for DVD
doesn't use "-target pal-dvd" that I have
used with ffmpeg before?<br>
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<div dir="auto">I am not sure if this is 'composite'
command line switch for ffmpeg as command line
application or you can use it in our profiles.</div>
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<div dir="auto">try and tell us now it works?</div>
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Not sure I understood what you meant here. But I did
base my FFmpeg command line on presets from WinFF, i.e
for "PAL DVD HQ Fullscreen":<br>
-f dvd -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 -vb 8000k -mbd rd
-trellis 1 -flags +mv0 -cmp 0 -subcmp 2<br>
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As seen above, this WinFF preset make use of the related
"-f dvd -target pal-dvd"<br>
<a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org/msg05766.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org/msg05766.html</a><br>
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In comparison Cingg's preset doesn't use ffmpeg's dvd
target<br>
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<div dir="auto">*I think* -target just set bunch of parameters
at once. So not really needed if you set them individually in
preset.</div>
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cat dvd.dvd<br>
<blockquote>dvd mpeg2video<br>
s 720x480<br>
r 30000/1001<br>
pixel_format yuv420p<br>
g 18<br>
maxrate 9000000<br>
minrate 0<br>
bufsize 1835008<br>
packetsize 2048<br>
cin_bitrate=8000000<br>
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<div dir="auto"> dv50_pal.mov<br>
mov dvvideo<br>
# cin_pix_fmt=yuv422p<br>
# cin_scale=720x576<br>
# r=50<br>
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<div dir="auto">ffmpeg/video/dv_pal.qt</div>
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Yeah, thanks for this tip which looks good, interesting
and promising ;)<br>
<br>
I noticed also this preset, but didn't bench test it.
Now, seemingly ".qt" tells me it means "quick-time" (not
qt gui)<br>
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cat dv_pal.qt<br>
<blockquote>mov dvvideo<br>
cin_pix_fmt=yuv420p<br>
field_order=bb<br>
# 720x576, 25 fps<br>
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<br>
Applications/CinGG-20250430-x86_64.AppImage<br>
Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2025 07:18:32<br>
git://<a href="http://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git</a><br>
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Shift P:<br>
FFMPEG qt<br>
<br>
Audio wrench: <br>
pcm_s16le<br>
Video wrench: <br>
dv_pal.qt<br>
yuv422p<br>
<br>
Video4Linux /dev/video0<br>
30 frames to record at a time (default, correct? should
it be set to 50fps?)<br>
<br>
720 x 576<br>
50.000 frame rate for recording<br>
<br>
r(ecording)<br>
Start record:<br>
<br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open
pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768
1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768 800x600 720x576
720x480 640x480"<br>
v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV<br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD: </font><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Inappropriate
ioctl for device</font><br>
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<br>
And interestingly, the short cam test with Sony TR2000
Hi8 PAL connected via the A/D converter, the result also
looks promising :)<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffprobe
-hide_banner Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt<br>
<br>
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from
'Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt':<br>
Metadata:<br>
major_brand : qt <br>
minor_version : 512<br>
compatible_brands: qt <br>
encoder : Lavf61.1.100<br>
Duration: 00:00:11.06, start: 0.000000, bitrate:
116736 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p /
0x70357664), yuv422p(bottom first), 720x576 [SAR 16:15
DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 12800 tbn
(default)<br>
Metadata:<br>
handler_name : VideoHandler<br>
vendor_id : FFMP<br>
Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt /
0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
(default)<br>
Metadata:<br>
handler_name : SoundHandler<br>
vendor_id : [0][0][0][0]<br>
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A dv vs dv50 squiz:<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">DV: yuv420(pal) - ca,
25Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS<br>
DV50; yuv422 - ca 50Mbit/s (video) - 25 FPS<br>
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</font>I have also read that DV50 may be interpreted as 2 DV streams
in parallell. <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br>
</font><br>
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But what happened by selecting framerate 50 fps in CinGG, when <br>
<blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffprobe
above say 57600 kb/s, 50 fps</font><br>
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and mediainfo below say<br>
<blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Overall bit
rate : 117 Mb/s</font><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Bit rate
(video) : 24.4 Mb/s</font><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Frame
rate : 50.000 FPS</font><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Original frame
rate : 25.000 FPS</font><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Scan
type : Interlaced !!?</font><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Scan type, store
method : Separated fields (2 fields per block)</font><br>
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Is the latter Separated fields 2 interlaced fields each odd and even
lines that simulates a progressive 50 FPS video?<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">sorry, no idea here.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Depend on your source and Project settings it probably still means interlaced, because we do not do auto-deinterlacing, or fields to frames conversion.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Watch output file frame by frame, I think it will remain interlaced.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
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mediainfo Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt<br>
General<br>
Complete name :
Cgg_dv_pal+pcm.qt<br>
Format : MPEG-4<br>
Format profile : QuickTime<br>
Codec ID : qt
0000.02 (qt )<br>
File size : 154 MiB<br>
Duration : 11 s 60 ms<br>
Overall bit rate mode : Constant<br>
Overall bit rate : 117 Mb/s<br>
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS<br>
Writing application :
Lavf61.1.100<br>
FileExtension_Invalid : braw mov
mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p m4r 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2
k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v<br>
<br>
Video<br>
ID : 1<br>
Format : DV<br>
Codec ID : dv5p<br>
Duration : 11 s 60 ms<br>
Bit rate mode : Constant<br>
Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s<br>
Width : 720 pixels<br>
Height : 576 pixels<br>
Display aspect ratio : 4:3<br>
Frame rate mode : Constant<br>
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS<br>
Original frame rate : 25.000 FPS<br>
Standard : PAL<br>
Color space : YUV<br>
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2<br>
Bit depth : 8 bits<br>
Scan type : Interlaced
!!?<br>
Scan type, store method : Separated
fields (2 fields per block)<br>
Scan order : Bottom
Field First<br>
Compression mode : Lossy<br>
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.179<br>
Stream size : 32.2 MiB
(21%)<br>
<br>
Audio<br>
ID : 2<br>
Format : PCM<br>
Format settings : Little /
Signed<br>
Codec ID : sowt<br>
Duration : 11 s 42 ms<br>
Bit rate mode : Constant<br>
Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s<br>
Channel(s) : 2 channels<br>
Channel layout : L R<br>
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz<br>
Bit depth : 16 bits<br>
Stream size : 2.02 MiB
(1%)<br>
Default : Yes<br>
Alternate group : 1<br>
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Shift P:<br>
FFMPEG mov<br>
<br>
Audio wrench enabled first: Didn't find
simple pcm_s16le and tried
dnxhr_pcm_s16.mov, but got mismatch and
disabled it<br>
Video wrench: dv50p.mov<br>
<br>
Video4Linux /dev/video0<br>
50 frames to record at a time<br>
720 x 576<br>
50.000 frame reate for recording<br>
<br>
r(ecording)<br>
Start record:<br>
<br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">cin<br>
Cinelerra Infinity - built: May 18 2025
05:16:59<br>
........<br>
</font>
<blockquote><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open
pixels="YUYV"; res="1920x1080 1600x1200
1360x768 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720
1024x768 800x600 720x576 720x480
640x480"<br>
v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV<br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD:
Inappropriate ioctl for device<br>
int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*):<br>
mismatch audio/video file format:
/home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov<br>
</font> <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV";
res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768
1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768
800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480"<br>
v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV<br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD:
Inappropriate ioctl for device<br>
[AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81d0080]
Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov'
is not known.<br>
int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*):<br>
failed:
/home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov<br>
</font> <font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace"><br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV";
res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768
1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768
800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480"<br>
v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV<br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open VIDIOC_S_STD:
Inappropriate ioctl for device<br>
[AVFormatContext @ 0x7f6aa81ad0c0]
Requested output format 'dv50p_pal.mov'
is not known.<br>
int FFMPEG::init_encoder(const char*):<br>
failed:
/home/terje/Videos//DV50p_pal.mov<br>
DeviceV4L2Base::v4l2_open pixels="YUYV";
res="1920x1080 1600x1200 1360x768
1280x1024 1280x960 1280x720 1024x768
800x600 720x576 720x480 640x480"<br>
v4l2 s_fmt 720x576 YUYV<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffmpeg
-hide_banner -f v4l2 -i /dev/video0 -f
alsa -ch_layout stereo -i
hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0 -c:v dvvideo -vf
scale=720x576 -r 50 -c:a copy -t 10 -f mov
dv_r50+pcm.mov<br>
<br>
Input #0, video4linux2,v4l2, from
'/dev/video0':<br>
Duration: N/A, start: 538.465207,
bitrate: 1990656 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 /
0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 1990656
kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 1000k tbn<br>
Input #1, alsa, from 'hw:CARD=UHD,DEV=0':<br>
Duration: N/A, start: 1749738351.392999,
bitrate: 1536 kb/s<br>
Stream #1:0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz,
stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s<br>
Stream mapping:<br>
Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (rawvideo
(native) -> dvvideo (native))<br>
Stream #1:0 -> #0:1 (copy)<br>
Press [q] to stop, [?] for help<br>
[dvvideo @ 0x7f2298705c80] Only top-left
chroma location is supported in DV, input
value is: unspecified<br>
----<br>
frame= 476 fps= 50 q=-0.0 size=
135168KiB time=00:00:09.50
bitrate=116553.7kbits/s dup=0 drop=94
speed= 1x [out#0/mov @ 0x55b8598e3700]
video:140625KiB audio:1875KiB
subtitle:0KiB other streams:0KiB global
headers:0KiB muxing overhead: 0.026882%<br>
<br>
frame= 500 fps= 50 q=-0.0 Lsize=
142539KiB time=00:00:10.00
bitrate=116767.6kbits/s dup=0 drop=98
speed=0.999x <br>
</font><br>
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du -sh dv*<br>
140M dv_50M+pcm.mov<br>
140M dv_r50_50M+pcm.mov<br>
140M dv_r50+pcm.mov<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">ffprobe
-hide_banner dv_r50+pcm.mov<br>
<br>
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from
'dv_r50+pcm.mov':<br>
Metadata:<br>
major_brand : qt <br>
minor_version : 512<br>
compatible_brands: qt <br>
encoder : Lavf61.7.100<br>
Duration: 00:00:10.00, start: 0.000000,
bitrate: 116749 kb/s<br>
Stream #0:0[0x1]: Video: dvvideo (dv5p /
0x70357664), yuv422p(progressive), 720x576
[SAR 16:15 DAR 4:3], 57600 kb/s, 50 fps,
50 tbr, 12800 tbn (default)<br>
Metadata:<br>
handler_name : VideoHandler<br>
vendor_id : FFMP<br>
encoder : Lavc61.19.101
dvvideo<br>
Stream #0:1[0x2]: Audio: pcm_s16le (sowt
/ 0x74776F73), 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536
kb/s (default)<br>
Metadata:<br>
handler_name : SoundHandler<br>
vendor_id : [0][0][0][0</font><br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">mediainfo
dv_r50+pcm.mov<br>
General<br>
Complete name :
dv_r50+pcm.mov<br>
Format :
MPEG-4<br>
Format profile :
QuickTime<br>
Codec ID :
qt 0000.02 (qt )<br>
File size :
139 MiB<br>
Duration :
10 s 2 ms<br>
Overall bit rate mode :
Constant<br>
Overall bit rate :
117 Mb/s<br>
Frame rate :
50.000 FPS<br>
Writing application :
Lavf61.7.100<br>
<br>
Video<br>
ID :
1<br>
Format :
DV<br>
Codec ID :
dv5p<br>
Duration :
10 s 0 ms<br>
Bit rate mode :
Constant<br>
Bit rate :
24.4 Mb/s<br>
Width :
720 pixels<br>
Height :
576 pixels<br>
Display aspect ratio :
4:3<br>
Frame rate mode :
Constant<br>
Frame rate :
50.000 FPS<br>
Original frame rate :
25.000 FPS<br>
Standard :
PAL<br>
Color space :
YUV<br>
Chroma subsampling :
4:2:2<br>
Bit depth :
8 bits<br>
Scan type :
Progressive<br>
Original scan type :
Interlaced<br>
Original scan order :
Bottom Field First<br>
Compression mode :
Lossy<br>
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :
1.179<br>
Stream size :
29.1 MiB (21%)<br>
Writing library :
Lavc61.19.101 dvvideo<br>
<br>
Audio<br>
ID :
2<br>
Format :
PCM<br>
Format settings :
Little / Signed<br>
Codec ID :
sowt<br>
Duration :
10 s 2 ms<br>
Bit rate mode :
Constant<br>
Bit rate :
1 536 kb/s<br>
Channel(s) :
2 channels<br>
Channel layout :
L R<br>
Sampling rate :
48.0 kHz<br>
Bit depth :
16 bits<br>
Stream size :
1.83 MiB (1%)<br>
Default :
Yes<br>
Alternate group :
1<br>
</font><br>
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