[Cin] actually, added few more formats to theme.C
Terje J. Hanssen
terjejhanssen at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 02:00:14 CET 2020
Firstly, I'm not a programmer, but as I'm retired and hope to spend some
time forward to learn Cin-GG to edit my hobby recorded and archived SD
and HDV.
In general, the most user friendly would be if the automatic selected
Preset format fits correctly to each loaded standard video w/audio file
format. For unknown formats, PAL vs NTSC should preferably be choosed
based on the actual time zone (CGG manual page 416, above Figure 13.1).
*) User custom verification and selection of presets or video technical
details, assume the user is skilled on the video format in use.
Den 11.11.2020 18:54, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
> В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
>> I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications
>>
>> HDV 720p
>> 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
> but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name?
720p/60 is the only 720p preset available.
*) Each details can be custom selected, although not ideally?
According to the Wikipedia HDV specifications:
720p: Pixel aspect ratio 1.00 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1280x720,
Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
MP at H-14/HL)
1080i: Pixel aspect ratio 1.33 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1440x1080,
Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
MP at H-14)
From the Cin Preset Canvas size I noticed the following proportions can
be derived, in case they tell something .........
720p: W Ratio/H Ratio=0.8889/0.6667=1.33, Width/W
Ratio=1280/0.8889=1440, Height/H Ratio=720/0.6667=1080
1080i: W Ratio/H Ratio=1.3333/1.0000=1.33, Width/W
Ratio=1920/1.3333=1440, Height/H Ratio=1080/1.000=1080
>> HDV 1080i
>> 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25
>>
>> HDV 1080p
>> 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25
> Those seems to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work?
In case you have not seen it, the replies to my related mail request on
the old CinCVS mail list might have some more information:
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg05573.html
This CinCVS Mail Archive is also searchable and contains several threads
about that time new HDV format
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/
Terje J. H
>
>> At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i"
>> for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats.
>> Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue.
> ok ....
>> Terje J. H
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin:
>>> Yes it's clear
>>> HDV 1080i "Top field first"
>>> and DV "Bottom field first"
>>>
>>> In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can
>>> record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc).
>>>
>>> Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot:
>>>
>>>
>>> An example of HDV material
>>>
>>> General
>>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
>>> Complete name : exemple.m2t
>>> Format : MPEG-TS
>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>> File size : 30.2 MiB
>>> Duration : 10s 878ms
>>> Start time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>> End time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14
>>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
>>> Overall bit rate : 23.2 Mbps
>>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps
>>> Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>> Format : MPEG Video
>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>> Format version : Version 2
>>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
>>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
>>> Format settings, Matrix : Default
>>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
>>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
>>> Codec ID : 2
>>> Duration : 10s 544ms
>>> Bit rate : 21.7 Mbps
>>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
>>> Width : 1 440 pixels
>>> Height : 1 080 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps
>>> Standard : Component
>>> Color space : YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>> Scan order : Top Field First
>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.466
>>> Stream size : 27.3 MiB (90%)
>>> Color primaries : BT.709
>>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
>>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>> Format : MPEG Audio
>>> Format version : Version 1
>>> Format profile : Layer 2
>>> Codec ID : 3
>>> Duration : 10s 584ms
>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Bit rate : 384 Kbps
>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>> Delay relative to video : -252ms
>>> Stream size : 496 KiB (2%)
>>>
>>> Menu
>>> ID : 129 (0x81)
>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) /
>>> 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An example of DV material (ntsc)
>>>
>>> General
>>> Complete name : exemple.avi
>>> Format : AVI
>>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
>>> Commercial name : DV
>>> File size : 446 MiB
>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
>>> Recorded date : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID : 0
>>> Format : DV
>>> Codec ID : dvsd
>>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
>>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>> Height : 480 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>> Standard : NTSC
>>> Color space :
>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>> Time code of first frame : 00:00:02:08
>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>> Stream size : 423 MiB (95%)
>>> Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb
>>> mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID : 1
>>> Format : PCM
>>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
>>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
>>> Codec ID : 1
>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>> Stream size : 22.6 MiB (5%)
>>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
>>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit :
>>>> Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be
>>>>
>>>> To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field
>>>> first" ..............
>>>> General
>>> Complete name :
>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi
>>> Format : AVI
>>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
>>> Commercial name : DV
>>> Format profile : OpenDML
>>> File size : 2.12 GiB
>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
>>> Recorded date : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID : 0
>>> Format : DV
>>> Codec ID : dvsd
>>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
>>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>> Height : 480 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>> Standard : NTSC
>>> Color space : YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>> Time code of first frame : 00:09:19:19
>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>> Stream size : 2.02 GiB (95%)
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID : 1
>>> Format : PCM
>>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
>>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
>>> Codec ID : 1
>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>> Stream size : 110 MiB (5%)
>>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
>>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
>>>
>>>> Terje J. H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
>>>>> Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to
>>>>> await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy
>>>>> to Pierre and Andrew here.
>>>>>
>>>>> To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first"
>>>>> and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using
>>>>> ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>> ======= =========================================
>>>>> (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next
>>>>> converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog
>>>>> to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ffprobe dv01_07.dv
>>>>> ....................
>>>>> Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv':
>>>>> Metadata:
>>>>> timecode : 01:09:35:09
>>>>> Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
>>>>> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR
>>>>> 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
>>>>> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> mediainfo dv01_07.dv
>>>>> ......................
>>>>> General
>>>>> Complete name : dv01_07.dv
>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>> File size : 389 MiB
>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>>>> Height : 576 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 4:3
>>>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
>>>>> Standard : PAL
>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>>>> Time code of first frame : 01:09:35:09
>>>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>>>> Stream size : 330 MiB (85%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID : 0
>>>>> Format : PCM
>>>>> Format settings : Big / Signed
>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s
>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
>>>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>>>> Stream size : 20.7 MiB (5%)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>> (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and
>>>>> next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk
>>>>> Recorder)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> .....................
>>>>> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t':
>>>>> Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s
>>>>> Program 100
>>>>> Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] /
>>>>> 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR
>>>>> 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
>>>>> Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000
>>>>> Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s
>>>>> Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)
>>>>> Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> ........................
>>>>> General
>>>>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
>>>>> Complete name : hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> Format : MPEG-TS
>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>> File size : 2.00 GiB
>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Start time : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>> End time : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
>>>>> Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s
>>>>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s
>>>>> Encoded date : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format : MPEG Video
>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>> Format version : Version 2
>>>>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
>>>>> Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP
>>>>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
>>>>> Format settings, Matrix : Custom
>>>>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
>>>>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
>>>>> Codec ID : 2
>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
>>>>> Width : 1 440 pixels
>>>>> Height : 1 080 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
>>>>> Standard : Component
>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order : Top Field First
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.628
>>>>> Stream size : 1.87 GiB (94%)
>>>>> Color primaries : BT.709
>>>>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
>>>>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format : MPEG Audio
>>>>> Format version : Version 1
>>>>> Format profile : Layer 2
>>>>> Codec ID : 3
>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 384 kb/s
>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
>>>>> Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Delay relative to video : -192 ms
>>>>> Stream size : 30.1 MiB (1%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Menu
>>>>> ID : 129 (0x81)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video)
>>>>> / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> Terje J. H
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