[Cin] actually, added few more formats to theme.C

Terje J. Hanssen terjejhanssen at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 02:00:14 CET 2020


Firstly, I'm not a programmer, but as I'm retired and hope to spend some 
time forward to learn Cin-GG to edit my hobby recorded and archived SD 
and HDV.

In general, the most user friendly would be if the automatic selected 
Preset format fits correctly to each loaded standard video w/audio file 
format. For unknown formats, PAL vs NTSC should preferably be choosed 
based on the actual time zone (CGG manual page 416, above  Figure 13.1).

*) User custom verification and selection of presets or video technical 
details, assume the user is skilled on the video format in use.


Den 11.11.2020 18:54, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
> В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
>> I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications
>>
>> HDV 720p
>> 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
> but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name?

720p/60 is the only 720p preset available.
*) Each details can be custom selected, although not ideally?

According to the Wikipedia HDV specifications:
  720p: Pixel aspect ratio 1.00 (PAR),  Frame size in pixels 1280x720,  
Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR),   MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level: 
MP at H-14/HL)
1080i: Pixel aspect ratio 1.33 (PAR),  Frame size in pixels 1440x1080, 
Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR),  MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level: 
MP at H-14)

 From the Cin Preset Canvas size I noticed the following proportions can 
be derived, in case they tell something .........
  720p: W Ratio/H Ratio=0.8889/0.6667=1.33,  Width/W 
Ratio=1280/0.8889=1440,  Height/H Ratio=720/0.6667=1080
1080i: W Ratio/H Ratio=1.3333/1.0000=1.33,  Width/W 
Ratio=1920/1.3333=1440,  Height/H Ratio=1080/1.000=1080


>> HDV 1080i
>> 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25
>>
>> HDV 1080p
>> 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25
> Those seems  to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work?

In case you have not seen it, the replies to my related mail request on 
the old CinCVS mail list might have some more information:
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg05573.html

This CinCVS Mail Archive is also searchable and contains several threads 
about that time new HDV format
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/


Terje J. H



>
>> At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i"
>> for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats.
>> Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue.
> ok ....
>> Terje J. H
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin:
>>> Yes it's clear
>>> HDV 1080i "Top field first"
>>> and DV "Bottom field first"
>>>
>>> In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can
>>> record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc).
>>>
>>> Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot:
>>>
>>>
>>> An example of HDV material
>>>
>>> General
>>> ID                                       : 255 (0xFF)
>>> Complete name                            : exemple.m2t
>>> Format                                   : MPEG-TS
>>> Commercial name                          : HDV 1080i
>>> File size                                : 30.2 MiB
>>> Duration                                 : 10s 878ms
>>> Start time                               : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>> End time                                 : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14
>>> Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
>>> Overall bit rate                         : 23.2 Mbps
>>> Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 33.0 Mbps
>>> Encoded date                             : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID                                       : 2064 (0x810)
>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>> Format                                   : MPEG Video
>>> Commercial name                          : HDV 1080i
>>> Format version                           : Version 2
>>> Format profile                           : Main at High 1440
>>> Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
>>> Format settings, Matrix                  : Default
>>> Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
>>> Format settings, picture structure       : Frame
>>> Codec ID                                 : 2
>>> Duration                                 : 10s 544ms
>>> Bit rate                                 : 21.7 Mbps
>>> Maximum bit rate                         : 25.0 Mbps
>>> Width                                    : 1 440 pixels
>>> Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
>>> Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps
>>> Standard                                 : Component
>>> Color space                              : YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
>>> Bit depth                                : 8 bits
>>> Scan type                                : Interlaced
>>> Scan order                               : Top Field First
>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.466
>>> Stream size                              : 27.3 MiB (90%)
>>> Color primaries                          : BT.709
>>> Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
>>> Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID                                       : 2068 (0x814)
>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>> Format                                   : MPEG Audio
>>> Format version                           : Version 1
>>> Format profile                           : Layer 2
>>> Codec ID                                 : 3
>>> Duration                                 : 10s 584ms
>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>> Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
>>> Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>> Delay relative to video                  : -252ms
>>> Stream size                              : 496 KiB (2%)
>>>
>>> Menu
>>> ID                                       : 129 (0x81)
>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>> List                                     : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) /
>>> 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An example of DV material (ntsc)
>>>
>>> General
>>> Complete name                            : exemple.avi
>>> Format                                   : AVI
>>> Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
>>> Commercial name                          : DV
>>> File size                                : 446 MiB
>>> Duration                                 : 2mn 3s
>>> Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
>>> Overall bit rate                         : 30.3 Mbps
>>> Recorded date                            : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID                                       : 0
>>> Format                                   : DV
>>> Codec ID                                 : dvsd
>>> Codec ID/Hint                            : Sony
>>> Duration                                 : 2mn 3s
>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>> Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mbps
>>> Encoded bit rate                         : 28.8 Mbps
>>> Width                                    : 720 pixels
>>> Height                                   : 480 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
>>> Frame rate mode                          : Constant
>>> Frame rate                               : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>> Standard                                 : NTSC
>>> Color space                              :
>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling                       : 4:1:1
>>> Bit depth                                : 8 bits
>>> Scan type                                : Interlaced
>>> Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
>>> Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:02:08
>>> Time code source                         : Subcode time code
>>> Stream size                              : 423 MiB (95%)
>>> Encoding settings                        : ae mode=manual / wb
>>> mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID                                       : 1
>>> Format                                   : PCM
>>> Format settings, Endianness              : Little
>>> Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
>>> Codec ID                                 : 1
>>> Duration                                 : 2mn 3s
>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>> Bit rate                                 : 1 536 Kbps
>>> Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
>>> Bit depth                                : 16 bits
>>> Stream size                              : 22.6 MiB (5%)
>>> Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
>>> Interleave, duration                     : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>> Interleave, preload duration             : 33 ms
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit :
>>>> Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be
>>>>
>>>>       To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field
>>>> first" ..............
>>>> General
>>> Complete name                            :
>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi
>>> Format                                   : AVI
>>> Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
>>> Commercial name                          : DV
>>> Format profile                           : OpenDML
>>> File size                                : 2.12 GiB
>>> Duration                                 : 10mn 1s
>>> Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
>>> Overall bit rate                         : 30.3 Mbps
>>> Recorded date                            : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000
>>>
>>> Video
>>> ID                                       : 0
>>> Format                                   : DV
>>> Codec ID                                 : dvsd
>>> Codec ID/Hint                            : Sony
>>> Duration                                 : 10mn 1s
>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>> Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mbps
>>> Encoded bit rate                         : 28.8 Mbps
>>> Width                                    : 720 pixels
>>> Height                                   : 480 pixels
>>> Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
>>> Frame rate mode                          : Constant
>>> Frame rate                               : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>> Standard                                 : NTSC
>>> Color space                              : YUV
>>> Chroma subsampling                       : 4:1:1
>>> Bit depth                                : 8 bits
>>> Scan type                                : Interlaced
>>> Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
>>> Time code of first frame                 : 00:09:19:19
>>> Time code source                         : Subcode time code
>>> Stream size                              : 2.02 GiB (95%)
>>>
>>> Audio
>>> ID                                       : 1
>>> Format                                   : PCM
>>> Format settings, Endianness              : Little
>>> Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
>>> Codec ID                                 : 1
>>> Duration                                 : 10mn 1s
>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>> Bit rate                                 : 1 536 Kbps
>>> Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
>>> Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
>>> Bit depth                                : 16 bits
>>> Stream size                              : 110 MiB (5%)
>>> Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
>>> Interleave, duration                     : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>> Interleave, preload duration             : 33 ms
>>>
>>>> Terje J. H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
>>>>> Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to
>>>>> await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy
>>>>> to Pierre and Andrew here.
>>>>>
>>>>> To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first"
>>>>> and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using
>>>>> ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>> ======= =========================================
>>>>> (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next
>>>>> converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog
>>>>> to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ffprobe dv01_07.dv
>>>>> ....................
>>>>> Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv':
>>>>>    Metadata:
>>>>>      timecode        : 01:09:35:09
>>>>>    Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
>>>>>      Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR
>>>>> 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
>>>>>      Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> mediainfo dv01_07.dv
>>>>> ......................
>>>>> General
>>>>> Complete name                            : dv01_07.dv
>>>>> Format                                   : DV
>>>>> File size                                : 389 MiB
>>>>> Duration                                 : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
>>>>> Overall bit rate                         : 28.8 Mb/s
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> Format                                   : DV
>>>>> Duration                                 : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>> Width                                    : 720 pixels
>>>>> Height                                   : 576 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
>>>>> Frame rate mode                          : Constant
>>>>> Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
>>>>> Standard                                 : PAL
>>>>> Color space                              : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
>>>>> Bit depth                                : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type                                : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
>>>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
>>>>> Time code of first frame                 : 01:09:35:09
>>>>> Time code source                         : Subcode time code
>>>>> Stream size                              : 330 MiB (85%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID                                       : 0
>>>>> Format                                   : PCM
>>>>> Format settings                          : Big / Signed
>>>>> Duration                                 : 1 min 53 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
>>>>> Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
>>>>> Bit depth                                : 16 bits
>>>>> Stream size                              : 20.7 MiB (5%)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>> (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and
>>>>> next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk
>>>>> Recorder)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> .....................
>>>>> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t':
>>>>>    Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s
>>>>>    Program 100
>>>>>      Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] /
>>>>> 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR
>>>>> 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
>>>>>      Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000
>>>>> Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s
>>>>>      Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)
>>>>>      Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> ........................
>>>>> General
>>>>> ID                                       : 255 (0xFF)
>>>>> Complete name                            : hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>> Format                                   : MPEG-TS
>>>>> Commercial name                          : HDV 1080i
>>>>> File size                                : 2.00 GiB
>>>>> Duration                                 : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Start time                               : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>> End time                                 : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
>>>>> Overall bit rate                         : 26.1 Mb/s
>>>>> Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 33.0 Mb/s
>>>>> Encoded date                             : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> ID                                       : 2064 (0x810)
>>>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format                                   : MPEG Video
>>>>> Commercial name                          : HDV 1080i
>>>>> Format version                           : Version 2
>>>>> Format profile                           : Main at High 1440
>>>>> Format settings                          : CustomMatrix / BVOP
>>>>> Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
>>>>> Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
>>>>> Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=12
>>>>> Format settings, picture structure       : Frame
>>>>> Codec ID                                 : 2
>>>>> Duration                                 : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>> Maximum bit rate                         : 25.0 Mb/s
>>>>> Width                                    : 1 440 pixels
>>>>> Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
>>>>> Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
>>>>> Standard                                 : Component
>>>>> Color space                              : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
>>>>> Bit depth                                : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type                                : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order                               : Top Field First
>>>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.628
>>>>> Stream size                              : 1.87 GiB (94%)
>>>>> Color primaries                          : BT.709
>>>>> Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
>>>>> Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID                                       : 2068 (0x814)
>>>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format                                   : MPEG Audio
>>>>> Format version                           : Version 1
>>>>> Format profile                           : Layer 2
>>>>> Codec ID                                 : 3
>>>>> Duration                                 : 10 min 57 s
>>>>> Bit rate mode                            : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate                                 : 384 kb/s
>>>>> Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
>>>>> Frame rate                               : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
>>>>> Compression mode                         : Lossy
>>>>> Delay relative to video                  : -192 ms
>>>>> Stream size                              : 30.1 MiB (1%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Menu
>>>>> ID                                       : 129 (0x81)
>>>>> Menu ID                                  : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> List                                     : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video)
>>>>> / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> Terje J. H



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