[Cin] actually, added few more formats to theme.C
Andrew Randrianasulu
randrianasulu at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 12:00:38 CET 2020
В сообщении от Thursday 12 November 2020 04:00:14 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
> Firstly, I'm not a programmer, but as I'm retired and hope to spend some
> time forward to learn Cin-GG to edit my hobby recorded and archived SD
> and HDV.
>
> In general, the most user friendly would be if the automatic selected
> Preset format fits correctly to each loaded standard video w/audio file
> format. For unknown formats, PAL vs NTSC should preferably be choosed
> based on the actual time zone (CGG manual page 416, above Figure 13.1).
>
> *) User custom verification and selection of presets or video technical
> details, assume the user is skilled on the video format in use.
>
>
> Den 11.11.2020 18:54, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
> > В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
> >> I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions:
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications
> >>
> >> HDV 720p
> >> 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
> > but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name?
>
> 720p/60 is the only 720p preset available.
> *) Each details can be custom selected, although not ideally?
Yes, I was reluctant to add ALL variations because they will make list longer.
But I can do this.
>
> According to the Wikipedia HDV specifications:
> 720p: Pixel aspect ratio 1.00 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1280x720,
> Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
> MP at H-14/HL)
> 1080i: Pixel aspect ratio 1.33 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1440x1080,
> Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
> MP at H-14)
>
> From the Cin Preset Canvas size I noticed the following proportions can
> be derived, in case they tell something .........
> 720p: W Ratio/H Ratio=0.8889/0.6667=1.33, Width/W
> Ratio=1280/0.8889=1440, Height/H Ratio=720/0.6667=1080
> 1080i: W Ratio/H Ratio=1.3333/1.0000=1.33, Width/W
> Ratio=1920/1.3333=1440, Height/H Ratio=1080/1.000=1080
>
>
> >> HDV 1080i
> >> 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25
> >>
> >> HDV 1080p
> >> 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25
> > Those seems to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work?
>
> In case you have not seen it, the replies to my related mail request on
> the old CinCVS mail list might have some more information:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg05573.html
Yes, I see
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra%40skolelinux.no/msg05582.html
this one not very encouraging:
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Note that Cinelerra does two tasks: render and display.
To render, Cinelerra treats the 1440:1080 as square pixels. This is not
optimal if something you render has both horizontal and vertical extent, but
is driven by only one parameter, like the radius of the radial grandient, a
radial blur, or the 'feather' radius of the masks. Such things will turn into
ellipses because:
To display, Cinelerra simply stretches the available pixels to 16:9 ratio.
-- Hannes
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this question of you was left w/o answer, at least it was off-thread.
https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra%40skolelinux.no/msg05586.html
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For captured HDV and SD DV footages it looks like Cinelerra automatically
takes care of scaling. What doesn't look quite clear for me yet, is what
has to be done in Cinelerra for in cam downconverted HDV to anamorphic DV?
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I'll use search and try to read code a bit more.
I think I found manual on how to mix DV and HDV in same project in Cinelerra, but it was involving manual scaling?
http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/anamorphic.html#_how_to_add_16_9_anamorphic_footage_to_your_standard_4_3_project
ah, no, it has no specific mention of HDV in this section, but our problem is indeed those non-square pixels, and how to paint over them ....
>
> This CinCVS Mail Archive is also searchable and contains several threads
> about that time new HDV format
> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/
>
>
> Terje J. H
>
>
>
> >
> >> At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i"
> >> for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats.
> >> Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue.
> > ok ....
> >> Terje J. H
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin:
> >>> Yes it's clear
> >>> HDV 1080i "Top field first"
> >>> and DV "Bottom field first"
> >>>
> >>> In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can
> >>> record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc).
> >>>
> >>> Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> An example of HDV material
> >>>
> >>> General
> >>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
> >>> Complete name : exemple.m2t
> >>> Format : MPEG-TS
> >>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> >>> File size : 30.2 MiB
> >>> Duration : 10s 878ms
> >>> Start time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
> >>> End time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14
> >>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
> >>> Overall bit rate : 23.2 Mbps
> >>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps
> >>> Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
> >>>
> >>> Video
> >>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
> >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>> Format : MPEG Video
> >>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> >>> Format version : Version 2
> >>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
> >>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
> >>> Format settings, Matrix : Default
> >>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
> >>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
> >>> Codec ID : 2
> >>> Duration : 10s 544ms
> >>> Bit rate : 21.7 Mbps
> >>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
> >>> Width : 1 440 pixels
> >>> Height : 1 080 pixels
> >>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
> >>> Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps
> >>> Standard : Component
> >>> Color space : YUV
> >>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
> >>> Bit depth : 8 bits
> >>> Scan type : Interlaced
> >>> Scan order : Top Field First
> >>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.466
> >>> Stream size : 27.3 MiB (90%)
> >>> Color primaries : BT.709
> >>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
> >>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
> >>>
> >>> Audio
> >>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
> >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>> Format : MPEG Audio
> >>> Format version : Version 1
> >>> Format profile : Layer 2
> >>> Codec ID : 3
> >>> Duration : 10s 584ms
> >>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Bit rate : 384 Kbps
> >>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> >>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
> >>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>> Delay relative to video : -252ms
> >>> Stream size : 496 KiB (2%)
> >>>
> >>> Menu
> >>> ID : 129 (0x81)
> >>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) /
> >>> 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> An example of DV material (ntsc)
> >>>
> >>> General
> >>> Complete name : exemple.avi
> >>> Format : AVI
> >>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
> >>> Commercial name : DV
> >>> File size : 446 MiB
> >>> Duration : 2mn 3s
> >>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
> >>> Recorded date : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000
> >>>
> >>> Video
> >>> ID : 0
> >>> Format : DV
> >>> Codec ID : dvsd
> >>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
> >>> Duration : 2mn 3s
> >>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
> >>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
> >>> Width : 720 pixels
> >>> Height : 480 pixels
> >>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
> >>> Frame rate mode : Constant
> >>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
> >>> Standard : NTSC
> >>> Color space :
> >>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV
> >>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
> >>> Bit depth : 8 bits
> >>> Scan type : Interlaced
> >>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
> >>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
> >>> Time code of first frame : 00:00:02:08
> >>> Time code source : Subcode time code
> >>> Stream size : 423 MiB (95%)
> >>> Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb
> >>> mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus
> >>>
> >>> Audio
> >>> ID : 1
> >>> Format : PCM
> >>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
> >>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
> >>> Codec ID : 1
> >>> Duration : 2mn 3s
> >>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
> >>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> >>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
> >>> Bit depth : 16 bits
> >>> Stream size : 22.6 MiB (5%)
> >>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
> >>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
> >>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pierre
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit :
> >>>> Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be
> >>>>
> >>>> To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field
> >>>> first" ..............
> >>>> General
> >>> Complete name :
> >>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi
> >>> Format : AVI
> >>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
> >>> Commercial name : DV
> >>> Format profile : OpenDML
> >>> File size : 2.12 GiB
> >>> Duration : 10mn 1s
> >>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
> >>> Recorded date : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000
> >>>
> >>> Video
> >>> ID : 0
> >>> Format : DV
> >>> Codec ID : dvsd
> >>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
> >>> Duration : 10mn 1s
> >>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
> >>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
> >>> Width : 720 pixels
> >>> Height : 480 pixels
> >>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
> >>> Frame rate mode : Constant
> >>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
> >>> Standard : NTSC
> >>> Color space : YUV
> >>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
> >>> Bit depth : 8 bits
> >>> Scan type : Interlaced
> >>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
> >>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
> >>> Time code of first frame : 00:09:19:19
> >>> Time code source : Subcode time code
> >>> Stream size : 2.02 GiB (95%)
> >>>
> >>> Audio
> >>> ID : 1
> >>> Format : PCM
> >>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
> >>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
> >>> Codec ID : 1
> >>> Duration : 10mn 1s
> >>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
> >>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> >>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
> >>> Bit depth : 16 bits
> >>> Stream size : 110 MiB (5%)
> >>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
> >>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
> >>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
> >>>
> >>>> Terje J. H
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
> >>>>> Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to
> >>>>> await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy
> >>>>> to Pierre and Andrew here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first"
> >>>>> and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using
> >>>>> ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
> >>>>> ======= =========================================
> >>>>> (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next
> >>>>> converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog
> >>>>> to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ffprobe dv01_07.dv
> >>>>> ....................
> >>>>> Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv':
> >>>>> Metadata:
> >>>>> timecode : 01:09:35:09
> >>>>> Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
> >>>>> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR
> >>>>> 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
> >>>>> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> mediainfo dv01_07.dv
> >>>>> ......................
> >>>>> General
> >>>>> Complete name : dv01_07.dv
> >>>>> Format : DV
> >>>>> File size : 389 MiB
> >>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
> >>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Video
> >>>>> Format : DV
> >>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
> >>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
> >>>>> Width : 720 pixels
> >>>>> Height : 576 pixels
> >>>>> Display aspect ratio : 4:3
> >>>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
> >>>>> Standard : PAL
> >>>>> Color space : YUV
> >>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
> >>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
> >>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
> >>>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
> >>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
> >>>>> Time code of first frame : 01:09:35:09
> >>>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
> >>>>> Stream size : 330 MiB (85%)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Audio
> >>>>> ID : 0
> >>>>> Format : PCM
> >>>>> Format settings : Big / Signed
> >>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
> >>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s
> >>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> >>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
> >>>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
> >>>>> Stream size : 20.7 MiB (5%)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
> >>>>> =====================================================
> >>>>> (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and
> >>>>> next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk
> >>>>> Recorder)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t
> >>>>> .....................
> >>>>> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t':
> >>>>> Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s
> >>>>> Program 100
> >>>>> Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] /
> >>>>> 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR
> >>>>> 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
> >>>>> Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000
> >>>>> Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s
> >>>>> Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)
> >>>>> Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t
> >>>>> ........................
> >>>>> General
> >>>>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
> >>>>> Complete name : hdv01_03.m2t
> >>>>> Format : MPEG-TS
> >>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> >>>>> File size : 2.00 GiB
> >>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
> >>>>> Start time : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
> >>>>> End time : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00
> >>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
> >>>>> Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s
> >>>>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s
> >>>>> Encoded date : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Video
> >>>>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
> >>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>>>> Format : MPEG Video
> >>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
> >>>>> Format version : Version 2
> >>>>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
> >>>>> Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP
> >>>>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
> >>>>> Format settings, Matrix : Custom
> >>>>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
> >>>>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
> >>>>> Codec ID : 2
> >>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
> >>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
> >>>>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
> >>>>> Width : 1 440 pixels
> >>>>> Height : 1 080 pixels
> >>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
> >>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
> >>>>> Standard : Component
> >>>>> Color space : YUV
> >>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
> >>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
> >>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
> >>>>> Scan order : Top Field First
> >>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.628
> >>>>> Stream size : 1.87 GiB (94%)
> >>>>> Color primaries : BT.709
> >>>>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
> >>>>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Audio
> >>>>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
> >>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>>>> Format : MPEG Audio
> >>>>> Format version : Version 1
> >>>>> Format profile : Layer 2
> >>>>> Codec ID : 3
> >>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
> >>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
> >>>>> Bit rate : 384 kb/s
> >>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
> >>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
> >>>>> Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
> >>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
> >>>>> Delay relative to video : -192 ms
> >>>>> Stream size : 30.1 MiB (1%)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Menu
> >>>>> ID : 129 (0x81)
> >>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
> >>>>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video)
> >>>>> / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------
> >>>>> Terje J. H
>
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