[Cin] Debate on batch render

Mon Jan 11 21:39:40 CET 2021

Thank you very much Ugin for being honest. I find it a real shame that
Cinelerra has these shadows that can disenchant users. Nobody likes losing
their job.

Just today I find an email from a blog reader. Cinelerra was suddenly
closed, it "hung", as we say in computer jargon and when trying to recover
his work he mistakenly gave the option "Save backup" instead of "Load
backup" and the poor man was desperate wondering if there was any way to
get his work back, because apparently he had been working on a project for
a long time and he forgot to save, and the application accidentally closed
...

So I'm seeing that Cinelerra has many traps that can ruin your work. That
an application closes is something that happens even in the best
professional applications ... but that an application has an option that
can ruin your work, I am only seeing this in Cinelerra GG.

And it's a shame, and the more I think about it, I can't understand what
the point is to have an option to save a backup, with a keyboard shortcut
and everything. If when you want to save your project, you just press "s"
and that's it. If this option, without any sense and logic, were not in
Cinelerra today, a user could have recovered their work, their time ... I
think that those responsible and advisers for the development of Cinelerra
GG should consider very seriously these trap options that can disenchant
the most fervent user of Cinelerra GG.

And honestly more than making a programmer work making advanced menus in a
batch render window, for options that do not make any sense in these types
of windows, I see it as a great waste of time, this is my opinion and again
I am sorry to say it As I think about it, I think it would be better to
remove // these options and spend this valuable time adding to Cinelerra GG
these wonderful FFMPEG transitions that you have shared in another email.
Sorry again for the "roll".
Sincerely Rafa.

El lun, 11 ene 2021 a las 18:36, preobraz--- via Cin (<
cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>) escribió:

> Rafa, don't worry about expressing your thoughts directly. We are all
> Linux users here, which means that we all like direct communication.
> --
> Ugin.
>
> 11.01.2021 18:30, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin пишет:
> > Thank you very much Ugin for commenting on your experience... I had never
> > looked at Cinelerra's batch render window. I go looking at tools, I test
> > them, and then I try to write a tutorial on it to help hobbyists looking
> > for a good tool.
> > And your query caught my attention and I decided to take a look at the
> > batch render assistant... the first thing I saw about this wizard is that
> > it is not very intuitive, and the second my blood ran cold when I saw
> that
> > it had a function that could destroy an entire project with a single
> click,
> > and then another option that is linked to the aforementioned function,
> > which is also misleading.
> > I totally agree with you that these options without any practical sense,
> as
> > much as Igor tries to convince us otherwise, that they can frustrate the
> > user experience. Nobody likes to lose their job. And I find it difficult
> to
> > recommend an editor that in a click given by mistake, this happens to us
> > every day when we work with computers, lose all their work without going
> > back.
> > And I'm sorry to repeat myself, but when a professional needs two
> versions
> > of the same project to do tests, he does not go to the batch render
> window
> > to play his project, he simply makes a save as and that's it, and then
> > loads these files in the batch render.
> > I always say what I think, this creates enemies, and I am delighted with
> > this, because normally these enemies are very egocentric people who cling
> > to their ego without attending to reasons, and I am not like that, if I
> am
> > wrong and they tell me, I even give thanks, and it's people like that
> that
> > I like to surround myself with. If Igor is wrong with the fact that his
> > working method is not practical and he likes to have an application that
> a
> > wrong click can make you lose your job, which can be an hour or months...
> > well there he, but I take the right to politely tell you that your
> proposal
> > lacks all logic and is impractical or labor-saving, on the contrary,
> makes
> > the batch render wizard a tool to avoid.
> > Sorry for my long expositions, maybe I shouldn't write more about this
> > topic because I have already said what I think many times.
> >
> > El lun, 11 ene 2021 a las 13:30, preobraz--- via Cin (<
> > cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>) escribió:
> >
> >> Since I was mentioned in this thread, I will say that during the batch
> >> rendering tests, 4 files were deleted from me. Then I did not know the
> >> reasons for deleting them, and before experiments I always try to make
> >> backups, but for someone this behavior can ruin the whole wonderful
> >> impression of Cinelerra-GG.
> >> --
> >> Ugin.
> >>
> >> 10.01.2021 21:10, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin пишет:
> >>> At no point did I say that the batch rendering function should be
> >> removed.
> >>> It was precisely Ugin's query that made me take a look at the Batch
> >> Render
> >>> wizard.
> >> --
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> >> Cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org
> >> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin
> >>
> >
> >
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