[Cin] my rendering is really slow
Phyllis Smith
phylsmith2017 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 17 05:14:24 CEST 2021
Gorge,
> I tested the render speed vs others and was happy.
>
You probably originally tested with default setups which generally are fast
because they are simple.
I've tried the render farm idea as well. Sometimes tho, I get an empty
> file. Don't know why.
>
You should get the best results using the render farm -- I would work on
getting this going so you can always use it because
as far as I can tell, the I5 Skylake is 4 cpus (?). Which isn't really
that many these days but it is certainly better than using only 1 which is
what you would be using with just software rendering.
clang: warning: Unknown CUDA version.
>
Cuda message is just a warning and not needed here and would not help.
The nvidia settings do show that about 5-8% load. I'm used to seeing that
> at 50-60% in other editors and also in OBS.
>
Tomorrow, I will try testing on another computer here that has an Nvdia
graphics board with the nvenc mp4 format. It is AMD instead of Intel but
should be about the same.
On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:45 AM gorge rankin via Cin <
cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote:
> I'm going from top of my head, but iirc they've had a few versions of
> nvenc so they're keeping the older around for backware compat.
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:39 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <
> randrianasulu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021, gorge rankin <nonoobspam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, just saw your note asking me to confirm if ffmpeg can do
>>> h264/nvenc:
>>>
>>> cmd:~/cinelerra/thirdparty/ffmpeg-4.3$ ffmpeg -encoders
>>>
>>
>>
>> i think you need full_path/ffmpeg, for launching our self-compiled copy
>> instead if system-vide one...
>>
>>
>> Encoders:
>>> V..... = Video
>>> A..... = Audio
>>> S..... = Subtitle
>>> .F.... = Frame-level multithreading
>>> ..S... = Slice-level multithreading
>>> ...X.. = Codec is experimental
>>> ....B. = Supports draw_horiz_band
>>> .....D = Supports direct rendering method 1
>>>
>>> V..... libx264 libx264 H.264 / AVC / MPEG-4 AVC / MPEG-4
>>> part 10 (codec h264)
>>> V..... libx264rgb libx264 H.264 / AVC / MPEG-4 AVC / MPEG-4
>>> part 10 RGB (codec h264)
>>> V..... h264_nvenc NVIDIA NVENC H.264 encoder (codec h264)
>>> V..... h264_omx OpenMAX IL H.264 video encoder (codec h264)
>>> V..... h264_qsv H.264 / AVC / MPEG-4 AVC / MPEG-4 part 10
>>> (Intel Quick Sync Video acceleration) (codec h264)
>>> V..... h264_v4l2m2m V4L2 mem2mem H.264 encoder wrapper (codec
>>> h264)
>>> V..... h264_vaapi H.264/AVC (VAAPI) (codec h264)
>>> V..... nvenc NVIDIA NVENC H.264 encoder (codec h264)
>>> V..... nvenc_h264 NVIDIA NVENC H.264 encoder (codec h264)
>>>
>>
>>
>> strange, two, even three nvenc_h264??
>>
>>
>>
>>> So yes, it's built to handle it. Also, since I'm encoing 1440p videos
>>> in realtime in RGBA mode, it has to be working, myh computer is not that
>>> fast LOL
>>>
>>> Also in the nvidia control panel, and I can see this:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> But the percentage will hit up to 30-50% many times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:19 PM gorge rankin <nonoobspam at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> oh, and I dropped down to cuda 10, that made no difference
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:18 PM gorge rankin <nonoobspam at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> some progress, So in short, it appears changing the workspace color
>>>>> format to YUVA-8Bit from RGBA-8Bit is where my slow down occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, so my videos are from OBS:
>>>>> color format: nv12
>>>>> color space 709
>>>>> color range: partial
>>>>> h264/nvenc/mkv
>>>>>
>>>>> so that's their defaults. those are under advanced, and I would assume
>>>>> normal users dont change such things.
>>>>>
>>>>> mediainfo reports the files as having yuv420 with color range of BT.709
>>>>>
>>>>> I get very fast rendering if cin has:
>>>>> Settings->Format RGBA-8Bit
>>>>> Render to yuv420
>>>>> Speed is 1 to 1 for the above with nvenc.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if I use the above, then my files have too much brightness,
>>>>> the contrast and colors are off.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I need to use to have my output files with proper color/bright.
>>>>> This is dramatically slower.
>>>>> Settings->Format YUVA-8Bit
>>>>> Render to yuv44p
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way to get my video's to look kind of like the originals in
>>>>> decent time
>>>>> Settings->Format RBGA-8Bit
>>>>> Render to yuv420p
>>>>> Add filters to adjust bright, colors. This is way faster than using
>>>>> YUV, but obv slower than normal RBGA as I'm using filters now which slows
>>>>> things down some, but at least it's liveable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 3:24 AM gorge rankin <nonoobspam at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ok, built it, but same issue, very slow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 2:45 AM gorge rankin <nonoobspam at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm building cin now as I type this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just saw this when it was building ffmpeg,
>>>>>>> clang: warning: Unknown CUDA version. cuda.h: CUDA_VERSION=11030.
>>>>>>> Assuming the latest supported version 10.1 [-Wunknown-cuda-version]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe my CUDA is too new?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 1:26 PM Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021, gorge rankin via Cin <
>>>>>>>> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've only been using cin for about 3 months. I could have sworn I
>>>>>>>>> tested the render speed vs others and was happy. This is just odd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> may be some library/driver was updated system-wide...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've tried the render farm idea as well. Sometimes tho, I get an
>>>>>>>>> empty file. Don't know why. So I'm gun shy to try it for this project
>>>>>>>>> where I have 3 hours estimated, it's only 15 minute video, ugh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yeah, emoty files for renderfarm-locally sounds like bug. I think I
>>>>>>>> run into some odd behavior when I was playing locally (on arm/termux) with
>>>>>>>> renderfarm. Try to increase number of pieces for each job and timeout, too?
>>>>>>>> in preferences...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are no errors at all printed to the console if I launch cin
>>>>>>>>> from the terminal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> odd...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The nvidia settings do show that about 5-8% load. I'm used to
>>>>>>>>> seeing that at 50-60% in other editors and also in OBS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what setting you have for "Use HW device" in
>>>>>>>> preferencies->performance? only affect decoding.. What video outputt driver
>>>>>>>> setting in Cin you use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know my pc is not "new" and the "fastest" but it would be faster
>>>>>>>>> if I were to make the compositor borderless and record that with OBS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> due to lack if hw encoding accel in termux (on android) I record
>>>>>>>> with system's recorder, so this is... workaround...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's really odd, the compositor isn't dropping any frames
>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. All my effects look *awesome * in the compositor. The app is
>>>>>>>>> running awesome. I've not had a crash at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> good, but slow encoding still a problem..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 8:32 AM Andrea paz via Cin <
>>>>>>>>> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lately many people are experiencing performance problems in
>>>>>>>>>> encoding,
>>>>>>>>>> I am one of them. I think the cause is the lack of multithreading
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> encoding (but also decoding in timeline).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can try to add printf("ff_cpus: %i, \n", ff_cpus) ; to few
>>>>>>>> places in cinelerra/ffmpeg.C and see if it was dropping down to 1 or 0
>>>>>>>> somewhat? as crude hack you can force it to your number of threads....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $ cat cinelerra/ffmpeg.C | grep ff_cpu
>>>>>>>> avctx->thread_count =
>>>>>>>> ffmpeg->ff_cpus();
>>>>>>>> ctx->thread_count = ff_cpus();
>>>>>>>> int FFMPEG::ff_cpus()
>>>>>>>> avctx->thread_count = ff_cpus();
>>>>>>>> $
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A rendering done with
>>>>>>>>>> external ffmpeg from command line is much more efficient than the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> rendering done in CinGG (always using ffmpeg).
>>>>>>>>>> No fix has been found, only a workaround that makes use of the
>>>>>>>>>> Render Farm:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/Render_Farm_Usage.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lately the user fary54 has made available his script to automate
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> use of the render farm and external ffmpeg. Above all it is
>>>>>>>>>> suitable
>>>>>>>>>> for CPUs with many threads. You can find the script and
>>>>>>>>>> explanations
>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=575
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