[Cin] HDV manual section need some work
Andrew Randrianasulu
randrianasulu at gmail.com
Sat Nov 5 23:25:04 CET 2022
вс, 6 нояб. 2022 г., 01:05 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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> Den 05.11.2022 13:46, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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> сб, 5 нояб. 2022 г., 15:39 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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>> Den 03.11.2022 22:13, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 21:28 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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>>> Den 03.11.2022 16:17, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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>>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 17:52 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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>>>> Den 03.11.2022 01:42, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
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>>>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 03:34 Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com>:
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>>>>>
>>>>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 03:14 Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we can add some clarification
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> HDV on a Blu-ray Disc Without Re-encoding
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An MTS file is a video file saved in the high-definition (HD) MPEG
>>>>>> Transport Stream video format, commonly called AVCHD. It contains HD video
>>>>>> compatible with Blu-ray disc format and is based on the MPEG-2 transport
>>>>>> stream. MTS files are often used by Sony, Panasonic, Canon and other HD
>>>>>> camcorders. Legal input for Video – MPEG1VIDEO, MPEG2VIDEO, H264; Audio –
>>>>>> MP1, MP2, AC3, AC3PLUS, DTS, TRUHD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note, mp2 and mp1 audio codecs are valid for transport stream itself
>>>>>> but not as on-disk format for Blu-Rays.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case you still can save original video by using ffmpeg's
>>>>>> switches
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -c:v copy -c:a ac3 , while outputting into another temporal ts
>>>>>> container.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {waiting for Terje's results on pcm_bluray case}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think all m2ts files you used for testing were h264/aac (or ac3),
>>>>>> not from-camcoder HDVs with mpeg2 video/mp2 audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can try HDV-in-mov from this folder as ffmpeg test file, I think
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/mov/FCP/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> oh, this is not mp2 audio but pcm audio. And ..not exactly kind of pcm
>>>>> used on blurays!
>>>>>
>>>>> so this line work, note mpegts_m2ts_mode switch for enabling more
>>>>> bluray like output, without it ffmpeg will mux audio into private stream -
>>>>> good luck getting it back!
>>>>>
>>>>> ffmpeg -i HDV_1080i50.mov -c:v copy -c:a pcm_bluray
>>>>> -mpegts_m2ts_mode 1 hdv.mts
>>>>>
>>>>> then tsmuxer recognizes mts file as below:
>>>>>
>>>>> ~/tsMuxer $ tsmuxer hdv.mts
>>>>> tsMuxeR version 2.6.16-dev. github.com/justdan96/tsMuxer
>>>>> Track ID: 4113
>>>>> Stream type: MPEG-2
>>>>> Stream ID: V_MPEG-2
>>>>> Stream info: Profile: Main at 6. Resolution: 1440:1080i. Frame rate: 25
>>>>> Stream lang:
>>>>>
>>>>> Track ID: 4352
>>>>> Stream type: LPCM
>>>>> Stream ID: A_LPCM
>>>>> Stream info: Bitrate: 1536Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2 Bits
>>>>> per sample: 16bit
>>>>> Stream lang: eng
>>>>>
>>>>> Duration: 00:00:08.000
>>>>>
>>>>> ====
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if you can cp this file few times and then cat them back
>>>>> together for simulating longer video ) ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/OpenShot/openshot-qt/issues/3428#top
>>>>
>>>> this one contain real very short hdv sample with mp2 sound
>>>>
>>>> http://twenkid.com/os/3.m2t
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can try to dig and test further into this matter later this month -
>>>> or possibly more realistic next month.
>>>> Currently I spend some holiday weeks on Gran Canaria 😎
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> have good times (even without camcoder!)
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>>>
>>>> Some thoughts in advance:
>>>>
>>>> Would it possibly be better/clear to differ/split between the formats,
>>>> HDV video on tape (M2T container) and the successor H264/AVC(HD) video on
>>>> disk?
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
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>>>
>>> sure, right now it confusing.
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Possibly you still have the probably little longer HDV 1080i sample
>>>> file, "20081103140154.m2t" we used for the HDV format patch here
>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org/msg02048.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yeah, will call my friend 'find' )
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And if Phyllis has access to a Blu-ray disc burner and BD hw player,
>>>> testing could possibly start sooner(?)
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>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For creating a blu-ray disc, if you have HDV MPEG-2 media that is in
>>>>>> blu-ray format, you can save the original quality of your work, rather than
>>>>>> rendering it to another format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {I hope Terje will let us know if bdwrite still works with bluray pcm
>>>>>> audio as produced by ffmpeg 5.1+}
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> I forgot one question:
>>> Will it be possible and how to access and use ffmpeg-5.x included with
>>> Cin-GG in a terminal as usual?
>>>
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>> if you compile your own cinelerra ffmpeg binary will be in
>> thirdparty/ffmpeg-5.1/ffmpeg
>>
>>
>> we do not install this binary because cin does all work via library
>> interface.
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>> So I think you can do single-user build and then play with compiled
>> binary and may be even use it in shell scripting as described in
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>> https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/Menu_Bar_Shell_Commands.html
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>>> The latest openSUSE Leap 15.4 distro I use, has so far no official
>>> ffmpeg-5.x package or codec enabled from Packman.
>>> I have add-installed ffmpeg-5.1.2 from OBS (Open Build Service), but
>>> don't know if it works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ===========================
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>> A first test step with add-installed Experimental
>> ffmpeg-5-5.1.2-lp154.35.1.x86_64.rpm for Leap 15.4 from
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>> https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?package=ffmpeg-5&project=multimedia%3Alibs
>> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/multimedia%3Alibs/ffmpeg-5
>>
>> zypper addrepo
>> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:libs/15.4/multimedia:libs.repo
>> zypper refresh
>> zypper install ffmpeg-5
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> ffmpeg -i 3.m2t -c:v copy -c:a pcm_bluray output.ts
>> ffmpeg version 5.1.2 Copyright (c) 2000-2022 the FFmpeg developers
>> built with gcc 7 (SUSE Linux)
>> -------------
>> Input #0, mpegts, from '3.m2t':
>> Duration: 00:00:03.10, start: 1.400000, bitrate: 21633 kb/s
>> Program 1
>> Metadata:
>> service_name : Service01
>> service_provider: FFmpeg
>> Stream #0:0[0x100]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
>> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s,
>> 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
>> Side data:
>> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
>> vbv_delay: N/A
>> Stream #0:1[0x101]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz,
>> stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s
>> Unknown encoder 'pcm_bluray'
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> Obviously pcm_bluray encoder is not enabled - only the decoder is
>> enabled. Then it will be difficult ...
>>
>> ffmpeg -codecs -hide_banner | egrep "pcm|pcm_bluray"
>>
>> ..AIL. adpcm_4xm ADPCM 4X Movie
>> ..AIL. adpcm_adx SEGA CRI ADX ADPCM
>> ..AIL. adpcm_afc ADPCM Nintendo Gamecube AFC
>> ..AIL. adpcm_agm ADPCM AmuseGraphics Movie AGM
>> ..AIL. adpcm_aica ADPCM Yamaha AICA
>> ..AIL. adpcm_argo ADPCM Argonaut Games
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ct ADPCM Creative Technology
>> ..AIL. adpcm_dtk ADPCM Nintendo Gamecube DTK
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea ADPCM Electronic Arts
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_maxis_xa ADPCM Electronic Arts Maxis CDROM XA
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r1 ADPCM Electronic Arts R1
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r2 ADPCM Electronic Arts R2
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r3 ADPCM Electronic Arts R3
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_xas ADPCM Electronic Arts XAS
>> ..AIL. adpcm_g722 G.722 ADPCM
>> ..AIL. adpcm_g726 G.726 ADPCM
>> ..AIL. adpcm_g726le G.726 ADPCM little-endian
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_acorn ADPCM IMA Acorn Replay
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_alp ADPCM IMA High Voltage Software ALP
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_amv ADPCM IMA AMV
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_apc ADPCM IMA CRYO APC
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_apm ADPCM IMA Ubisoft APM
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_cunning ADPCM IMA Cunning Developments
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dat4 ADPCM IMA Eurocom DAT4
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dk3 ADPCM IMA Duck DK3
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dk4 ADPCM IMA Duck DK4
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ea_eacs ADPCM IMA Electronic Arts EACS
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ea_sead ADPCM IMA Electronic Arts SEAD
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_iss ADPCM IMA Funcom ISS
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_moflex ADPCM IMA MobiClip MOFLEX
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_mtf ADPCM IMA Capcom's MT Framework
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_oki ADPCM IMA Dialogic OKI
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_qt ADPCM IMA QuickTime
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_rad ADPCM IMA Radical
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_smjpeg ADPCM IMA Loki SDL MJPEG
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ssi ADPCM IMA Simon & Schuster Interactive
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_wav ADPCM IMA WAV
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ws ADPCM IMA Westwood
>> ..AIL. adpcm_ms ADPCM Microsoft
>> ..AIL. adpcm_mtaf ADPCM MTAF
>> ..AIL. adpcm_psx ADPCM Playstation
>> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_2 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 2-bit
>> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_3 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 2.6-bit
>> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_4 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 4-bit
>> ..AIL. adpcm_swf ADPCM Shockwave Flash
>> ..AIL. adpcm_thp ADPCM Nintendo THP
>> ..AIL. adpcm_thp_le ADPCM Nintendo THP (Little-Endian)
>> ..AIL. adpcm_vima LucasArts VIMA audio
>> ..AIL. adpcm_xa ADPCM CDROM XA
>> ..AIL. adpcm_yamaha ADPCM Yamaha
>> ..AIL. adpcm_zork ADPCM Zork
>> ..AIL. derf_dpcm DPCM Xilam DERF
>> ..AIL. gremlin_dpcm DPCM Gremlin
>> ..AIL. interplay_dpcm DPCM Interplay
>> DEAIL. pcm_alaw PCM A-law / G.711 A-law
>> D.AI.S pcm_bluray PCM signed 16|20|24-bit big-endian for
>> Blu-ray media
>> D.AI.S pcm_dvd PCM signed 20|24-bit big-endian
>> ..AI.S pcm_f16le PCM 16.8 floating point little-endian
>> ..AI.S pcm_f24le PCM 24.0 floating point little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_f32be PCM 32-bit floating point big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_f32le PCM 32-bit floating point little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_f64be PCM 64-bit floating point big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_f64le PCM 64-bit floating point little-endian
>> ..AI.S pcm_lxf PCM signed 20-bit little-endian planar
>> DEAIL. pcm_mulaw PCM mu-law / G.711 mu-law
>> DEAI.S pcm_s16be PCM signed 16-bit big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s16be_planar PCM signed 16-bit big-endian planar
>> DEAI.S pcm_s16le PCM signed 16-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s16le_planar PCM signed 16-bit little-endian planar
>> DEAI.S pcm_s24be PCM signed 24-bit big-endian
>> ..AI.S pcm_s24daud PCM D-Cinema audio signed 24-bit
>> DEAI.S pcm_s24le PCM signed 24-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s24le_planar PCM signed 24-bit little-endian planar
>> DEAI.S pcm_s32be PCM signed 32-bit big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s32le PCM signed 32-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s32le_planar PCM signed 32-bit little-endian planar
>> ..AI.S pcm_s64be PCM signed 64-bit big-endian
>> ..AI.S pcm_s64le PCM signed 64-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_s8 PCM signed 8-bit
>> DEAI.S pcm_s8_planar PCM signed 8-bit planar
>> ..AI.S pcm_sga PCM SGA
>> DEAI.S pcm_u16be PCM unsigned 16-bit big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u16le PCM unsigned 16-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u24be PCM unsigned 24-bit big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u24le PCM unsigned 24-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u32be PCM unsigned 32-bit big-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u32le PCM unsigned 32-bit little-endian
>> DEAI.S pcm_u8 PCM unsigned 8-bit
>> ..AIL. pcm_vidc PCM Archimedes VIDC
>> ..AIL. roq_dpcm DPCM id RoQ
>> ..AIL. sdx2_dpcm DPCM Squareroot-Delta-Exact
>> ..AIL. sol_dpcm DPCM Sol
>> ..AIL. xan_dpcm DPCM Xan
>>
>
> for me it says
>
> DEAI.S pcm_bluray PCM signed 16|20|24-bit big-endian for Blu-ray
> media
>
>
> on termux. Guess suse people a bit afraid about enabling anything bluray
> related in widely-distributed packages. Just for checking you can ask
> package maintainer, may be he (?) disabled it by oversight.
>
> So yeah, for this test self-compiled ffmpeg will be more interesting (on
> x86/glibc system simple configure/make should give you ff* binaries)
>
>
>
>>
> ======================
>
>
> I upgraded instead my rolling openSUSE Tumbleweed with the recent
> multimedia codec enabled ffmpeg 5.1.2 from Packman
> https://opensuse.github.io/openSUSE-docs-revamped-temp/codecs/
>
> where also the pcm_bluray encoder is enabled:
>
> ffmpeg -codecs -hide_banner | grep pcm_bluray
> DEAI.S pcm_bluray PCM signed 16|20|24-bit big-endian for
> Blu-ray media
>
>
> and verified first the input file
>
> ffprobe -hide_banner 3.m2t
> Input #0, mpegts, from '3.m2t':
> Duration: 00:00:03.10, start: 1.400000, bitrate: 21633 kb/s
> Program 1
> Metadata:
> service_name : Service01
> service_provider: FFmpeg
> Stream #0:0[0x100]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s,
> 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1[0x101]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s
>
>
> Then a new attempt with the first step to transcode the mp2 audio to
> pcm_blu-ray.
> Added also for this case the "-mpegts_m2ts_mode 1" switch for enabling
> more bluray like output, because without it didn't seem to be recognized!?
>
>
> ffmpeg -i 3.m2t -c:v copy -c:a pcm_bluray -mpegts_m2ts_mode 1 output.mts
> ffmpeg version 5.1.2 Copyright (c) 2000-2022 the FFmpeg developers
> built with gcc 12 (SUSE Linux)
> ..........
> Input #0, mpegts, from '3.m2t':
> Duration: 00:00:03.10, start: 1.400000, bitrate: 21633 kb/s
> Program 1
> Metadata:
> service_name : Service01
> service_provider: FFmpeg
> Stream #0:0[0x100]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s,
> 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1[0x101]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s
> Stream mapping:
> Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (copy)
> Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (mp2 (native) -> pcm_bluray (native))
> Press [q] to stop, [?] for help
> Output #0, mpegts, to 'output.mts':
> Metadata:
> encoder : Lavf59.27.100
> Stream #0:0: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 25000
> kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_bluray, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 128 kb/s
> Metadata:
> encoder : Lavc59.37.100 pcm_bluray
> frame= 76 fps=0.0 q=-1.0 Lsize= 8898kB time=00:00:03.00
> bitrate=24297.5kbits/s speed= 139x
> video:7854kB audio:565kB subtitle:0kB other streams:0kB global headers:0kB
> muxing overhead: 5.697285%
>
> ---------------------
>
> At last verified the output file:
>
> ffprobe -hide_banner output.ts
> Input #0, mpegts, from 'output.ts':
>
above you output in mts not ts .... ?
Duration: 00:00:03.10, start: 1.400000, bitrate: 22791 kb/s
> Program 1
> Metadata:
> service_name : Service01
> service_provider: FFmpeg
> Stream #0:0[0x100]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s,
> 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1[0x101]: Data: bin_data ([6][0][0][0] / 0x0006)
> Unsupported codec with id 98314 for input stream 1
>
> ==========================
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