[Cin] SD 16:9 missing among CinGG BD-Render Video Formats
Andrew Randrianasulu
randrianasulu at gmail.com
Wed Jan 17 19:59:00 CET 2024
ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 18:23 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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> Den 17.01.2024 01:34, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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> ср, 17 янв. 2024 г., 03:07 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin <
> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>:
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>> Den 16.01.2024 17:53, skrev Andrea paz:
>> >> I just installed the latest cin-x86_64 AppImage, started as root,
>> loaded a HDV clip to test to create a BD iso/structure, without Blu-ray
>> device connected (similar like testing create DVD).
>> >> But I got the following error message; any idea what is wrong here?
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>> >> I think BD-Render currently is locked to AVCHD (h264) video and ac3
>> audio only.
>> > The same mistake I had. To do a BD/DVD render we need to run CinGG
>> > with root permissions.
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>> Well, maybe you saw I actually had root access, but tried instead to
>> write to a directory I had renamed 😳
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>> > @Terje
>> > Thanks for the corrections. I put the new version of the text for the
>> > manual (the third part). Can you check this as well?
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>> Seems fine for me.
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>> > Plus I would like
>> > to ask you if you could add a "Use Case" for BDs, since I have no
>> > knowledge of it....
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>> Yes, let us co-operate on a BD use case next, but first I suggest to
>> complete the 16:9 HDV to 16:9 DV use case successful ;)
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> well, may be just use DVD render but abort it at second (batchrender)
> window, and render normally ?
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> if dvd render set scaler automatically you hopefully just can reuse its
> settings for wide dv encoding?
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> but watch out for interlace reversal ... :( (tff for hdv, bff for dv).
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> Yes, I think that can do the trick. I got it to work, but I hope this
> workaround can be more plain and clearly, if it is possible to "copy" the
> DVD Scale button in some way to the File Render window.
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> I felt I had not completely control over what happened.
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Heh :) In this case you hopefully can just save scale plugin/effect setting
as they set up by DVD wizard for your case and then just manually apply
effect over whole video track and set its parameters from profile? Even
without GUI you can copy xml file from .bcast5 directory to your favorite
place and then copy ot back when you need to render with those specific
parameters again. Sort of settings template
By the way, here is the procedure I think did work for me:
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> 1. Loaded the HDV
> 2. Started File > DVD Render, selected Format: PAL (25.00) 16x9, Scale:
> Scaled, and OK
> 3. Batch (DVD) Render window opens
> 4. Started File > Render and closed the Batch Render window
> 5. Edited file path and file name, File Format: FFmpeg - avi (or dv),
> Audio: Preset avi_pcm, Video: dv_pal.avi, and before OK!
> 6. Open Set Format, verify the Canvas size has changed to 720x576 and DAR
> 16:9, Switch Interlace mode to: Bottom Field First, OK
> 7. Lastly OK on the Render Window (5) and rendering begin
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> Confusingly 2. and 3 partly may create DVD directories which can be
> deleted.
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yeah, this is just workaround. I do not feel very comfortable doing GUI
work, and I do not feel special-casing workflow into generic rendering
window will be good idea...
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> Tried both TFF and BFF
> The bottom line is that this trick and workaround created DV 16x9 files
> which all displayed correct due to [SAR 64;45 and DAR 16:9] 😎
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but do they display smooth motion? I am still worried about field dominance
:)
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> ffprobe -hide_banner dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi
> Input #0, avi, from 'dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi':
> Metadata:
> software : Lavf60.16.100
> Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 30342 kb/s
> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo (dvsd / 0x64737664), yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR
> 64:45 DAR 16:9], 28802 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000 Hz, 2
> channels, s16, 1536 kb/s
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> mediainfo dv07_05_wide_cingg.avi | grep Scan
> Scan type : Interlaced
> Scan order : Top Field First
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> ffprobe -hide_banner dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi
> Input #0, avi, from 'dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi':
> Metadata:
> software : Lavf60.16.100
> Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 30342 kb/s
> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo (dvsd / 0x64737664), yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR
> 64:45 DAR 16:9], 28802 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000 Hz, 2
> channels, s16, 1536 kb/s
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> mediainfo dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.avi | grep Scan
> Scan type : Interlaced
> Scan order : Bottom Field First
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> ffprobe -hide_banner dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv
> [dv @ 0x55b67a8e1580] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be
> inaccurate
> Input #0, dv, from 'dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv':
> Metadata:
> timecode : 00:00:00:00
> Duration: 00:06:58.04, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 64:45 DAR 16:9],
> 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
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> mediainfo dv_16x9_cingg_20240117.dv | grep Scan
> Scan type : Interlaced
> Scan order : Top Field First
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> So may be you need more complex hdv interlaced = to frames -> scale down
> fields independently = > encode
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> procedure ....
> https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/480.html
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> If you just deinterlace then scale it will be simpler, i think. Because we
> not start with upscaled interlaced SD ....
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> To repeat and extract from the long thread, we can start from from my
>> dialog with Andrew below:
>> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2024-January/007699.html
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>> =================
>> > I wonder how much was cropped?
>> >
>> > May be I misread you but you loaded HDV 1440*1080 clip and then
>> > rendered it into ffmpeg DV at 576i WITHOUT any scaling on top?
>> >
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>> Yes, I loaded the anamorphic 16:9 HDV 1440x1080 clip and then rendered
>> it using Set Format Preset PAL 576i (16:9)-DV(D) - without any scaling
>> on top.
>> According to my understanding this should down-convert the full source
>> image to DVD 16:9 anamorphic format, which at playback should display
>> upscaled 16:9 screen.
>> That is, just as in my first post
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>> 4 b) FFmpeg transcode HDV to DV-wide
>> ffmpeg -hide_banner -i hdv07_05.m2t -vf
>> scale=720:576,setsar=64/45,setdar=16/9 -c:v dvvideo -c:a pcm_s16le
>> dv07_05_wide.dv
>> ----------------------------
>> DVD Render Format autoscales the input HDV format to fit the selected
>> 16x9 DVD output format.
>> When input format and output rendering formats are identical, it seems
>> that nothing needs to be set/edited manually in Set Format.
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>> Then the unavoidable request/suggestion:
>> Could correspondingly different I/O format via selected Presets also
>> bake in Autoscale as default (beside color space mentioned before) ?
>> (refer to the: -vf scale=720:576,setsar=64/45,setdar=16/9 in the ffmpeg
>> line below)
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>> I think no, it was intended to give users control over what kind of
>> filters they want to apply. Even with ffmpeg you still manually add
>> scale filter ...
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>> Fx. the DVD Render window has a Scale dropdown menu, where "Scaled" is
>> default.
>> The other options are None and Cropped (various).
>> As an additional test I rendered with None, and then got similar 16:9
>> output displayed as ffmpeg-avi.
>> (The Raw DV differed with 4_3 display)
>> ============
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>> Here we are currently. I hoped to get this down-convert/scale Rendering
>> via Set Format Preset as easy as corresponding DVD Render (and
>> BD-Render) using a user selectable "Scale switch". If this is not easy,
>> possible or desirable, I hope you can add the detailed Scale steps in
>> this case from here, because I have no experience with this yet.
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