[Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

Igor BEGHETTO igorbeg at visi1.org
Sat Dec 28 11:00:24 CET 2019

I always use Nesting feature, for more complex projects, like showed in 
the my old screencasts.

And in the CinelerraGG_manual_WorkInProgress (well done) in 5.7.8 
section you can find more information.

Yes, if you update one, or more Sequences, the Master Project is not 
update with the last changes that you had done on them, but you can 
re-load the updated Sequences and overwrite them in the Timeline if you 
work with method. (And I use, or better, I  used also Proxy with Nested)
I am speaking about, before the last changes; I only saw the Phyllis' Demo.


Il 28/12/2019 8.52, Haldun ALTAN ha scritto:
> Hello,
> I don't know if i get this right or wrong but i already worked with 
> several timelines in cinelerra.
> They were, in your exemple, "intro", "part 1", "part 2", "credits" and 
> each of it in was in a seperate project that you could put together by 
> only copy and paste, from one project to another.
> Is the différence is they are now in the same project ?
> Haldun.
> Le 28/12/2019 à 00:41, Sam a écrit :
>> One of the greatest strengths of commercial NLEs is the ability to 
>> work with multiple timelines.
>> Why work with multiple timelines?
>> A movie project can be divided into several sections such as intro, 
>> main part 1, main part 2 and credits.
>> From this I make four timelines called Intro, Part 1, Part 2, Credits.
>> This splits the whole movie project into four parts and allows faster 
>> working in the main window, because not the whole movie project is 
>> loaded in the main window, but only a quarter of the movie. This 
>> speeds up the work a lot and allows other contributors to work on 
>> different parts of a film project and finally add them together and 
>> make an overall coordination.
>> When the intro, main part 1, main part 2 and the credits are 
>> finished, these timelines are joined together to form an overall 
>> timeline.
>> A new timeline called Composition is created and Timeline Intro, 
>> Timeline Part 1, Timeline Part 2 and Timeline Credits are dragged 
>> into it.
>> Basically this feature is an extension of the EDL feature.
>> I created the photomontage very fast and therefore they have a lot of 
>> potential for improvement. The final solution can of course look 
>> completely different, the pictures only serve to illustrate my idea.
>> Sam
>> On 26.12.19 03:12, Phyllis Smith wrote:
>>> Never hurts to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an 
>>> unexpected need arises here.
>>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM Sam <cinelerra at posteo.de 
>>> <mailto:cinelerra at posteo.de>> wrote:
>>>     Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for
>>>     so long, but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
>>>     This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the
>>>     timeline feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I
>>>     would like to make some suggestions on this topic for January.
>>>     This EDL feature can be extended relatively easily in my opinion.
>>>     Sam
>>>     On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:
>>>>     With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included
>>>>     with your project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example,
>>>>     if you have a nested clip that originally had several plugins
>>>>     added to it before it was nested, you can edit those plugin
>>>>     parameter values.  Previously to make any changes to these EDL
>>>>     clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
>>>>     scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as
>>>>     described below by the ****.
>>>>     In addition a couple of modifications related to this are
>>>>     noticeable to include the following:
>>>>       - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which
>>>>     was "Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
>>>>       - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to
>>>>     Media", the nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder
>>>>     for example:
>>>>     1) load some test media, mode replace project
>>>>     2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and
>>>>     press ok.  clip is created
>>>>     3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
>>>>     4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item
>>>>     Open EDL
>>>>     5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
>>>>     6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in
>>>>     the main menu bar.
>>>>     7) timeline is restored to original media.
>>>>     8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline. 
>>>>     The effect is visible.
>>>>     **** - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL"
>>>>     for the highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the
>>>>     clip will be brought up on the timeline. *VERY IMPORTANT to
>>>>     note*, the previous timeline EDL is "pushed onto a stack" (this
>>>>     is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to get back to that
>>>>     you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by clicking
>>>>     on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline
>>>>     above where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this
>>>>     button will read 1 if you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when
>>>>     back to your original timeline.  You can go several levels deep
>>>>     so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got to tell you
>>>>     that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is open
>>>>     on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.
>>>>       - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the
>>>>     Nested clip will be located here
>>>>       - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now
>>>>     called "EDL to clip" which results in the nested clip being
>>>>     reverted to a clip and back into the clip folder with only a
>>>>     name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also still in the Media
>>>>     folder.
>>>>       - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open
>>>>     EDL" as described for clips above.  But in this case when you
>>>>     Open EDL and edit the changes, those changes will take affect
>>>>     on any and all occurrences of that nested clip on the timeline.
>>>>     I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars
>>>>     that contain this and other mods in the Download /
>>>>     Documentation / File Storage at cinelerra-gg.org
>>>>     <http://cinelerra-gg.org>.  Would be happy to make static tars
>>>>     for any other usual distro/version if you would like to test early.
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