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Thu Jul 2 08:49:23 CEST 2020

I apologize for answering Phyllis's question without being a veteran user,
but to Phyllis's question about GG timing, the tracks, both before and now,
can be moved and sorted as a user wishes. I think there are more important
things, like improving the subject of inserting clips in a track with the
speed values modified from the line for that purpose, or developing an
effect to manipulate the speed of a specific clip, with the possibility to
synchronize with an effect for the same purpose in the audio clips and to
be able to change the duration of this without changing the pitch
(timestretch). I think spending time on these things would help a lot more
to maintain Cinelerra's status in the professional video editing sphere
than spending time on the order of tracks, which as I said, I only usually
do this in the beginning, when I prepare the project to work, and very
rarely, during production.
I apologize, Igor, for getting me into the conversation and expressing my
opinion, my intention is to help in any way I can.
Regards.

El jue., 2 jul. 2020 a las 3:40, Phyllis Smith (<phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Would it be worth GG's time to add "roll up" and "roll down" choices to
> mimic the original behavior?
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:42 PM Sam <cinelerra at posteo.de> wrote:
>
>> I watched the Igor's video. I don't like working with locked tracks, so I
>> thought my suggestion would be a nice addition. On second thought, it makes
>> sense the way you described it. I agree with Igor and Pierre's opinion that
>> previous behaviour is more useful. Here are two videos that show the
>> differences between old and new behaviour.
>>
>> Old: https://streamable.com/0nxukf
>>
>> New: https://streamable.com/xjaggs
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> Am 01.07.20 um 22:37 schrieb Phyllis Smith:
>>
>> Igor,  (I was hoping the problem had to do with disarmed tracks.)  I can
>> not convince GG that it should not be changed back.
>> Here is GG's logic looking at your 1st 3 lines in YouTube moving tracks
>> example:
>>
>> Disarmed    Credits        Track 1
>> Disarmed    Intro          Track 2
>> Armed       VFX_Text        Track 3
>>
>> OK, you use "Move *Up*":
>> Moving VFX_Text          up by 1 track means it should go from Track 3
>> minus 1 = Track 2  (up = minus 1 / down means +1)
>> Moving Intro             up by 1 track means it should go from Track 2
>> minus 1 = Track 1   (up = minus 1 / down means +1)
>> So now Credits           has only 1 way to go up and that is all the way
>> to the bottom
>> *This is the only consistent logic.  Previously once you got to the top
>> you "swapped" the 2 tracks -- that is not a "move up".*
>>
>> Another example going further down in your video:
>> Disarmed     VFX Arrow        Track #5          "move up" goes to Track
>> #6 ???  -- makes more logic sense to go to Track 5 - 1 = Track 4
>>                                                 (this looks like "move
>> down", not up)
>>
>> Disarmed     VFX AnimLine     Track #7           "move up" goes to Track
>> #9 ??? -- makes more logic sense to got to Track 7 - 1 = Track 6
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:43 PM Igor BEGHETTO <igorbeg at visi1.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It doesn't matter in which Gang mode you are. For me, it doesn't depends
>>> by group of audio tracks.
>>> MoveUp and MoveDown work (I should say, worked in previous release) with
>>> Armed tracks.
>>> No new shortcuts are needed because the movement of the tracks is based
>>> on the armed tracks.
>>> So you can move whatever you want including a video track with its two
>>> (or more) audio tracks,
>>> even though not close.
>>>
>>> If you have a few of time, could you compare Cin_20200531 with
>>> Cin_20200630, please?
>>>
>>> === CASE_1 =======================================
>>> State t=0
>>> -V3 (disarmed)
>>> -V2 (disarmed)
>>> -V1 (armed)
>>> -A1 (armed)
>>> -A2 (armed)
>>>
>>> State t=1 after Shift+UpArrow
>>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>>> -----------------+--------------
>>> -V3 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>>> -V1 (armed)      | -V1 (armed)
>>> -A1 (armed)      | -A1 (armed)
>>> -A2 (armed)      | -A2 (armed)
>>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -V3 (disarmed)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> === Case_2 =======================================
>>> State t=0
>>> -V3 (armed)
>>> -V2 (disarmed)
>>> -V1 (disarmed)
>>> -A1 (disarmed)
>>> -A2 (disarmed)
>>>
>>> State t=1 after Shift+DownArrow
>>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>>> -----------------+--------------
>>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -A2 (disarmed)
>>> -V3 (armed)      | -V3 (armed)
>>> -V1 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>>> -A1 (disarmed)   | -V1 (disarmed)
>>> -A2 (disarmed)   | -A1 (disarmed)
>>>
>>> State t=2 after Shift+DownArrow
>>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>>> -----------------+--------------
>>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -A1 (disarmed)
>>> -V1 (disarmed)   | -A2 (disarmed)
>>> -V3 (armed)      | -V3 (armed)
>>> -A1 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>>> -A2 (disarmed)   | -V1 (disarmed)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> IgorBeg
>>>
>>> PS: I don't know if a new, or more, screencast can help.
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