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[Phyllis Smith]

Would it be worth GG's time to add "roll up" and "roll down" choices to
mimic the original behavior?

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:42 PM Sam <cinelerra at posteo.de> wrote:

> I watched the Igor's video. I don't like working with locked tracks, so I
> thought my suggestion would be a nice addition. On second thought, it makes
> sense the way you described it. I agree with Igor and Pierre's opinion that
> previous behaviour is more useful. Here are two videos that show the
> differences between old and new behaviour.
>
> Old: https://streamable.com/0nxukf
>
> New: https://streamable.com/xjaggs
>
> Sam
>
>
> Am 01.07.20 um 22:37 schrieb Phyllis Smith:
>
> Igor,  (I was hoping the problem had to do with disarmed tracks.)  I can
> not convince GG that it should not be changed back.
> Here is GG's logic looking at your 1st 3 lines in YouTube moving tracks
> example:
>
> Disarmed    Credits        Track 1
> Disarmed    Intro          Track 2
> Armed       VFX_Text        Track 3
>
> OK, you use "Move *Up*":
> Moving VFX_Text          up by 1 track means it should go from Track 3
> minus 1 = Track 2  (up = minus 1 / down means +1)
> Moving Intro             up by 1 track means it should go from Track 2
> minus 1 = Track 1   (up = minus 1 / down means +1)
> So now Credits           has only 1 way to go up and that is all the way
> to the bottom
> *This is the only consistent logic.  Previously once you got to the top
> you "swapped" the 2 tracks -- that is not a "move up".*
>
> Another example going further down in your video:
> Disarmed     VFX Arrow        Track #5          "move up" goes to Track #6
> ???  -- makes more logic sense to go to Track 5 - 1 = Track 4
>                                                 (this looks like "move
> down", not up)
>
> Disarmed     VFX AnimLine     Track #7           "move up" goes to Track
> #9 ??? -- makes more logic sense to got to Track 7 - 1 = Track 6
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 1:43 PM Igor BEGHETTO <igorbeg at visi1.org> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't matter in which Gang mode you are. For me, it doesn't depends
>> by group of audio tracks.
>> MoveUp and MoveDown work (I should say, worked in previous release) with
>> Armed tracks.
>> No new shortcuts are needed because the movement of the tracks is based
>> on the armed tracks.
>> So you can move whatever you want including a video track with its two
>> (or more) audio tracks,
>> even though not close.
>>
>> If you have a few of time, could you compare Cin_20200531 with
>> Cin_20200630, please?
>>
>> === CASE_1 =======================================
>> State t=0
>> -V3 (disarmed)
>> -V2 (disarmed)
>> -V1 (armed)
>> -A1 (armed)
>> -A2 (armed)
>>
>> State t=1 after Shift+UpArrow
>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>> -----------------+--------------
>> -V3 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>> -V1 (armed)      | -V1 (armed)
>> -A1 (armed)      | -A1 (armed)
>> -A2 (armed)      | -A2 (armed)
>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -V3 (disarmed)
>>
>>
>>
>> === Case_2 =======================================
>> State t=0
>> -V3 (armed)
>> -V2 (disarmed)
>> -V1 (disarmed)
>> -A1 (disarmed)
>> -A2 (disarmed)
>>
>> State t=1 after Shift+DownArrow
>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>> -----------------+--------------
>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -A2 (disarmed)
>> -V3 (armed)      | -V3 (armed)
>> -V1 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>> -A1 (disarmed)   | -V1 (disarmed)
>> -A2 (disarmed)   | -A1 (disarmed)
>>
>> State t=2 after Shift+DownArrow
>>   Cin_20200531    | Cin_20200630
>> -----------------+--------------
>> -V2 (disarmed)   | -A1 (disarmed)
>> -V1 (disarmed)   | -A2 (disarmed)
>> -V3 (armed)      | -V3 (armed)
>> -A1 (disarmed)   | -V2 (disarmed)
>> -A2 (disarmed)   | -V1 (disarmed)
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> IgorBeg
>>
>> PS: I don't know if a new, or more, screencast can help.
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