[Cin] Youtube channel (@ Rafa Mar)

Thu May 21 21:22:47 CEST 2020

Cinelerra is very powerful, but not very intuitive.
There is no way to think about the beginnings to see the problems.
My opinion is that there are mainly three things that scare new users away.
The interface, people nowadays don't like interfaces with different
windows. It doesn't bother me, but I think it would be much easier to
capture new users with a single window interface.
The upload wizard, which mixes the upload of projects with that of
multimedia files. The first times I tried to work with Cinelerra here I was
already very stuck. I think this that I am commenting on now has scared
away more people than the interface of different windows. It is absurd to
try to load a file and put it on the timeline ... nobody expects this
result. In fact I do not see that in other applications this is so. And
what do people do, they spend half an hour fighting with this, they install
another editor that does not believe this early problem and they quickly
forget about Cinelerra, leaving the name of Cinelerra in their subconscious
as something bad, something to avoid.
And the third point, file browsers, are missing a favorites panel, to go
quickly from one folder to another.

Summary.
Gimp today offers the possibility of working with panels or using a single
window. Would it be easy to implement this in Cinelerra? Modern interfaces
are like this, see professional applications or even free ones like Olive,
Kdenlive ... etc ...
Make an assistant for loading projects and another for loading media.
Totally independent, because this is what most people have driven away from
Cinelerra.
Add a panel in the navigation windows that integrates with the system
folders and your favorites, or failing that, a panel where you can put your
favorites.

Of all these points, the one that seems to me that it would be more
important to change urgently so as not to scare new users away is the media
loading assistant.

That I think this does not mean that these things should be changed, but I
am convinced that if it were done, or had already been done, Cinelerra
would have many more users. What good is having the best motion tracking
plugin if people get stuck in the media upload wizard? I myself if I had
not seen a video that explained how to upload a file in the Resources
window, I think that today I still would not have succeeded, and it is sad
that such a powerful application has these assistants so illogical and not
imitated by nobody.
Renewed or die.

Regards. I continue with my basic tutorials, because I am still discovering
Cinelerra.

El jue., 21 may. 2020 a las 20:15, Phyllis Smith (<phylsmith2017 at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Like Andrea already said, I too agree with Ugin as far as "no yawning" to
> get to "yet another NLE".  That is why someone suggested adding at the
> beginning of the manual in the Introduction, a list of the Standard
> Features and Innovative New Features (I think that was Terje).  This list
> probably needs updating, because recently in the forum, a user noted the
> hardware acceleration for a free NLE is not always available.  He has been
> using both vaapi and vdpau and they have been used with drone footage.
>
> Also, the fact that we capture as much information in a crash dmp as we
> can is a little unusual also, as well as encourage use of techniques to
> capture a useful dump for an easy way for us to create a fix.  Sometimes
> word of mouth can be as useful as some YouTube videos. And I think having
> the forum where users can view other user's ideas/issues/help is very
> helpful because they can see that the community is interested in hearing
> about problems/solutions and see that often there is quite a fast
> response.  Phyllis/GG
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:23 AM <preobraz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since you wrote to the general mailing list, I will express my opinion
>> on the truining of Cinelerra.
>> It is very good that now the number of free video editors is growing.
>> But, if we want to promote Cinelerra specifically, then we need to focus
>> on its superiority. Such features are enough.
>> What will a novice user think when he once again looks at the process of
>> opening a video and placing it on a timeline? Will yawn. And then he
>> will choose a more standard editor, in which the work is more
>> reminiscent of Adobe Premiere. But this user will be interested in
>> Cinelerra, if you show those things that you will not do in Kdenlive and
>> OpenShot. Such things include, for example, object tracking being
>> discussed in another mailing thread, or the like.
>> And having become interested in the features and not finding these
>> features in other programs, the user will easily figure out how to start
>> working with Cinelerra from the lessons already available.
>> I suggest concentrating specifically on identifying and developing the
>> professional qualities of Cinelerra. The rest will be able to do our
>> followers.
>>
>> Perhaps I wrote it is not entirely clear, I apologize - English is not
>> my native language.
>> --
>> Ugin
>>
>> 21.05.2020 17:02, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux пишет:
>> > Thanks for the link, I did not know this author.
>> > I have already created the playlist with the videos of it.
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > El jue., 21 may. 2020 a las 13:28, Andrea paz (<
>> gamberucci.andrea at gmail.com>)
>> > escribió:
>> >
>> >> Hi, Rafa.
>> >> I wanted to add Tutordidi's playlist to our Youtube channel; but I
>> >> don't know how to do it. How did you put, for instance, Chipper's
>> >> video?
>> >> Do we have to upload every video in our channel or is the link enough?
>> >> The link to the Tutordidi channel is as follows:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv2a4GmPMdY&list=PLfKHh1b8s3Y1v2umY4FYukDfaSc0VwhFu
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