[Cin] actually, added few more formats to theme.C
Terje J. Hanssen
terjejhanssen at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 19:41:47 CET 2020
Den 12.11.2020 12:00, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
> В сообщении от Thursday 12 November 2020 04:00:14 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
>> Firstly, I'm not a programmer, but as I'm retired and hope to spend some
>> time forward to learn Cin-GG to edit my hobby recorded and archived SD
>> and HDV.
>>
>> In general, the most user friendly would be if the automatic selected
>> Preset format fits correctly to each loaded standard video w/audio file
>> format. For unknown formats, PAL vs NTSC should preferably be choosed
>> based on the actual time zone (CGG manual page 416, above Figure 13.1).
>>
>> *) User custom verification and selection of presets or video technical
>> details, assume the user is skilled on the video format in use.
>>
>>
>> Den 11.11.2020 18:54, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
>>> В сообщении от Wednesday 11 November 2020 20:12:44 Terje J. Hanssen via Cin написал(а):
>>>> I will just add that the HDV format consist of three versions:
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV#Specifications
>>>>
>>>> HDV 720p
>>>> 720p/60, 720p/30, 720p/24, 720p/50, 720p/25
>>> but may be those can be already selected, just not as preset with HDV in name?
>> 720p/60 is the only 720p preset available.
>> *) Each details can be custom selected, although not ideally?
> Yes, I was reluctant to add ALL variations because they will make list longer.
> But I can do this.
A sub-menu next for each of the three HDV groups seems to be even
better, though more complicated(?)
>> According to the Wikipedia HDV specifications:
>> 720p: Pixel aspect ratio 1.00 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1280x720,
>> Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
>> MP at H-14/HL)
>> 1080i: Pixel aspect ratio 1.33 (PAR), Frame size in pixels 1440x1080,
>> Frame aspect ratio 16:9 (DAR), MPEG2 Video compr. (profile & level:
>> MP at H-14)
>>
>> From the Cin Preset Canvas size I noticed the following proportions can
>> be derived, in case they tell something .........
>> 720p: W Ratio/H Ratio=0.8889/0.6667=1.33, Width/W
>> Ratio=1280/0.8889=1440, Height/H Ratio=720/0.6667=1080
>> 1080i: W Ratio/H Ratio=1.3333/1.0000=1.33, Width/W
>> Ratio=1920/1.3333=1440, Height/H Ratio=1080/1.000=1080
>>
>>
>>>> HDV 1080i
>>>> 1080i/30 (29.97), 1080i/25
>>>>
>>>> HDV 1080p
>>>> 1080p/30 (29.97), 1080p/24 (23.98), 1080p/25
>>> Those seems to be more tricky, because I still not sure how they should show up in Compositor and Viewer. With correct-for-display aspect ratio? But then how masks/titles will work?
I'm not sure about all other HD-video formats, but the HDV formats seems
to be supported HDTV formats (broadcast standards) and supported Blu-ray
video formats
1280x720 (HD-1) HD ready or Standard HD
1440x1080 (HD-2) and 1920x1080, (Full HD, FHD)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television#Display_resolutions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolutions#Digital_TV_standards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video#Common_high-definition_video_modes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Video
>> In case you have not seen it, the replies to my related mail request on
>> the old CinCVS mail list might have some more information:
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg05573.html
> Yes, I see
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra%40skolelinux.no/msg05582.html
>
> this one not very encouraging:
>
> ======
> Note that Cinelerra does two tasks: render and display.
>
> To render, Cinelerra treats the 1440:1080 as square pixels. This is not
> optimal if something you render has both horizontal and vertical extent, but
> is driven by only one parameter, like the radius of the radial grandient, a
> radial blur, or the 'feather' radius of the masks. Such things will turn into
> ellipses because:
>
> To display, Cinelerra simply stretches the available pixels to 16:9 ratio.
>
> -- Hannes
> =========
>
> this question of you was left w/o answer, at least it was off-thread.
> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra%40skolelinux.no/msg05586.html
>
> ======
> For captured HDV and SD DV footages it looks like Cinelerra automatically
> takes care of scaling. What doesn't look quite clear for me yet, is what
> has to be done in Cinelerra for in cam downconverted HDV to anamorphic DV?
> =======
>
>
> I'll use search and try to read code a bit more.
>
> I think I found manual on how to mix DV and HDV in same project in Cinelerra, but it was involving manual scaling?
>
> http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/anamorphic.html#_how_to_add_16_9_anamorphic_footage_to_your_standard_4_3_project
>
> ah, no, it has no specific mention of HDV in this section, but our problem is indeed those non-square pixels, and how to paint over them ....
I found another, related mail thread (2016):
[CinCV TNG] Create 16x9 video from 4x3 sources
https://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/pipermail/cinelerra/2016q2/004927.html
Terje J. H
>
>
>> This CinCVS Mail Archive is also searchable and contains several threads
>> about that time new HDV format
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/
>>
>>
>> Terje J. H
>>
>>
>>
>>>> At the same time I will also suggest to consistently use lower case "i"
>>>> for all interlaced HDV and HD formats like that on the SD formats.
>>>> Attached screen shots from the Set_Format_Preset menue.
>>> ok ....
>>>> Terje J. H
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 01.11.2020 19:35, skrev Pierre autourduglobe via Cin:
>>>>> Yes it's clear
>>>>> HDV 1080i "Top field first"
>>>>> and DV "Bottom field first"
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case I can verify this with my old HDV camera HVR-Z1U, which can
>>>>> record and transfer either in HDV or DV (ntsc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what mediainfo says about the material shot:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An example of HDV material
>>>>>
>>>>> General
>>>>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
>>>>> Complete name : exemple.m2t
>>>>> Format : MPEG-TS
>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>> File size : 30.2 MiB
>>>>> Duration : 10s 878ms
>>>>> Start time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>>>> End time : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:14
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
>>>>> Overall bit rate : 23.2 Mbps
>>>>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps
>>>>> Encoded date : UTC 2016-01-11 11:15:03
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format : MPEG Video
>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>> Format version : Version 2
>>>>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
>>>>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
>>>>> Format settings, Matrix : Default
>>>>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
>>>>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
>>>>> Codec ID : 2
>>>>> Duration : 10s 544ms
>>>>> Bit rate : 21.7 Mbps
>>>>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
>>>>> Width : 1 440 pixels
>>>>> Height : 1 080 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) fps
>>>>> Standard : Component
>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order : Top Field First
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.466
>>>>> Stream size : 27.3 MiB (90%)
>>>>> Color primaries : BT.709
>>>>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
>>>>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> Format : MPEG Audio
>>>>> Format version : Version 1
>>>>> Format profile : Layer 2
>>>>> Codec ID : 3
>>>>> Duration : 10s 584ms
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 384 Kbps
>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Delay relative to video : -252ms
>>>>> Stream size : 496 KiB (2%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Menu
>>>>> ID : 129 (0x81)
>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) /
>>>>> 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An example of DV material (ntsc)
>>>>>
>>>>> General
>>>>> Complete name : exemple.avi
>>>>> Format : AVI
>>>>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
>>>>> Commercial name : DV
>>>>> File size : 446 MiB
>>>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
>>>>> Recorded date : 2015-10-08 15:18:53.000
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> ID : 0
>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>> Codec ID : dvsd
>>>>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
>>>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
>>>>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
>>>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>>>> Height : 480 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>>>> Standard : NTSC
>>>>> Color space :
>>>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Noir_de_camera/Noir_de_camera-HDV_HVR-Z1U_2016.01.11_11-15-03YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>>>> Time code of first frame : 00:00:02:08
>>>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>>>> Stream size : 423 MiB (95%)
>>>>> Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb
>>>>> mode=pre-set / white balance=incandescent lamp / fcm=manual focus
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID : 1
>>>>> Format : PCM
>>>>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
>>>>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
>>>>> Codec ID : 1
>>>>> Duration : 2mn 3s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>>>> Stream size : 22.6 MiB (5%)
>>>>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
>>>>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>>>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 20-11-01 à 09 h 49, Terje J. Hanssen via Cin a écrit :
>>>>>> Sorry for my typo and confusion below, which should be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To confirm DV "Bottom field first" and HDV 1080i "Top field
>>>>>> first" ..............
>>>>>> General
>>>>> Complete name :
>>>>> /home/pierre/Bureau/MEDIAS_POUR_MONTAGE/AUTRES_sources/Pour_TESTS/Color-bars_référence_de_HVR-Z1U/Color_bars_DV.avi
>>>>> Format : AVI
>>>>> Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
>>>>> Commercial name : DV
>>>>> Format profile : OpenDML
>>>>> File size : 2.12 GiB
>>>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Overall bit rate : 30.3 Mbps
>>>>> Recorded date : 2015-10-05 11:09:56.000
>>>>>
>>>>> Video
>>>>> ID : 0
>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>> Codec ID : dvsd
>>>>> Codec ID/Hint : Sony
>>>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
>>>>> Encoded bit rate : 28.8 Mbps
>>>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>>>> Height : 480 pixels
>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Frame rate : 29.970 (29970/1000) fps
>>>>> Standard : NTSC
>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>>>> Time code of first frame : 00:09:19:19
>>>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>>>> Stream size : 2.02 GiB (95%)
>>>>>
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> ID : 1
>>>>> Format : PCM
>>>>> Format settings, Endianness : Little
>>>>> Format settings, Sign : Signed
>>>>> Codec ID : 1
>>>>> Duration : 10mn 1s
>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>> Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
>>>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>>>> Stream size : 110 MiB (5%)
>>>>> Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
>>>>> Interleave, duration : 33 ms (1.00 video frame)
>>>>> Interleave, preload duration : 33 ms
>>>>>
>>>>>> Terje J. H
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 01.11.2020 15:29, skrev Terje J. Hanssen:
>>>>>>> Due to my email address change, my messages to the Cin list seem to
>>>>>>> await moderator approval. In the meantime I'm sorry to post a copy
>>>>>>> to Pierre and Andrew here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To confirm DV "Top field first" and HDV 1080i "Bottom field first"
>>>>>>> and verify more details on both PAL formats, I've added output using
>>>>>>> ffprobe and mediainfo on real video clips I've recorded as below:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PAL- DV 720x576i /25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>>>> ======= =========================================
>>>>>>> (recorded to Hi8 tape with a Sony TR-2000E Hi8 camcorder, and next
>>>>>>> converted the S-video to .DV file using a Datavideo DN-300, Analog
>>>>>>> to Digital converter & HDV / DV Hard Disk Recorder)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ffprobe dv01_07.dv
>>>>>>> ....................
>>>>>>> Input #0, dv, from 'dv01_07.dv':
>>>>>>> Metadata:
>>>>>>> timecode : 01:09:35:09
>>>>>>> Duration: 00:01:53.28, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 28800 kb/s
>>>>>>> Stream #0:0: Video: dvvideo, yuv420p, 720x576 [SAR 16:15 DAR
>>>>>>> 4:3], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
>>>>>>> Stream #0:1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 1536 kb/s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mediainfo dv01_07.dv
>>>>>>> ......................
>>>>>>> General
>>>>>>> Complete name : dv01_07.dv
>>>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>>>> File size : 389 MiB
>>>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Overall bit rate : 28.8 Mb/s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Video
>>>>>>> Format : DV
>>>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>>>> Width : 720 pixels
>>>>>>> Height : 576 pixels
>>>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 4:3
>>>>>>> Frame rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
>>>>>>> Standard : PAL
>>>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>>>> Scan order : Bottom Field First
>>>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
>>>>>>> Time code of first frame : 01:09:35:09
>>>>>>> Time code source : Subcode time code
>>>>>>> Stream size : 330 MiB (85%)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>>> ID : 0
>>>>>>> Format : PCM
>>>>>>> Format settings : Big / Signed
>>>>>>> Duration : 1 min 53 s
>>>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Bit rate : 1 536 kb/s
>>>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
>>>>>>> Bit depth : 16 bits
>>>>>>> Stream size : 20.7 MiB (5%)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PAL - HDV 1440x1080i/ 25, 25 Mbps, 8-bit Y.U.V. 4:2:0
>>>>>>> =====================================================
>>>>>>> (recorded to miniHDV tape with a Sony HDR-FX7E HDV camcorder, and
>>>>>>> next to to .M2T file using a Datavideo DN-300 HDV / DV Hard Disk
>>>>>>> Recorder)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ffprobe hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>>>> .....................
>>>>>>> Input #0, mpegts, from 'hdv01_03.m2t':
>>>>>>> Duration: 00:10:58.22, start: 1966.896000, bitrate: 26099 kb/s
>>>>>>> Program 100
>>>>>>> Stream #0:0[0x810]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] /
>>>>>>> 0x0002), yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR
>>>>>>> 16:9], 25000 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
>>>>>>> Stream #0:1[0x814]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000
>>>>>>> Hz, stereo, s16p, 384 kb/s
>>>>>>> Stream #0:2[0x815]: Unknown: none ([160][0][0][0] / 0x00A0)
>>>>>>> Stream #0:3[0x811]: Unknown: none ([161][0][0][0] / 0x00A1)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mediainfo hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>>>> ........................
>>>>>>> General
>>>>>>> ID : 255 (0xFF)
>>>>>>> Complete name : hdv01_03.m2t
>>>>>>> Format : MPEG-TS
>>>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>>>> File size : 2.00 GiB
>>>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>>>> Start time : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>>>> End time : UTC 2007-02-08 11:27:00
>>>>>>> Overall bit rate mode : Variable
>>>>>>> Overall bit rate : 26.1 Mb/s
>>>>>>> Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mb/s
>>>>>>> Encoded date : UTC 2007-02-04 13:10:17
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Video
>>>>>>> ID : 2064 (0x810)
>>>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>>>> Format : MPEG Video
>>>>>>> Commercial name : HDV 1080i
>>>>>>> Format version : Version 2
>>>>>>> Format profile : Main at High 1440
>>>>>>> Format settings : CustomMatrix / BVOP
>>>>>>> Format settings, BVOP : Yes
>>>>>>> Format settings, Matrix : Custom
>>>>>>> Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
>>>>>>> Format settings, picture structure : Frame
>>>>>>> Codec ID : 2
>>>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Bit rate : 24.4 Mb/s
>>>>>>> Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mb/s
>>>>>>> Width : 1 440 pixels
>>>>>>> Height : 1 080 pixels
>>>>>>> Display aspect ratio : 16:9
>>>>>>> Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
>>>>>>> Standard : Component
>>>>>>> Color space : YUV
>>>>>>> Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
>>>>>>> Bit depth : 8 bits
>>>>>>> Scan type : Interlaced
>>>>>>> Scan order : Top Field First
>>>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>>>> Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.628
>>>>>>> Stream size : 1.87 GiB (94%)
>>>>>>> Color primaries : BT.709
>>>>>>> Transfer characteristics : BT.709
>>>>>>> Matrix coefficients : BT.709
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>>> ID : 2068 (0x814)
>>>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>>>> Format : MPEG Audio
>>>>>>> Format version : Version 1
>>>>>>> Format profile : Layer 2
>>>>>>> Codec ID : 3
>>>>>>> Duration : 10 min 57 s
>>>>>>> Bit rate mode : Constant
>>>>>>> Bit rate : 384 kb/s
>>>>>>> Channel(s) : 2 channels
>>>>>>> Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
>>>>>>> Frame rate : 41.667 FPS (1152 SPF)
>>>>>>> Compression mode : Lossy
>>>>>>> Delay relative to video : -192 ms
>>>>>>> Stream size : 30.1 MiB (1%)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Menu
>>>>>>> ID : 129 (0x81)
>>>>>>> Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
>>>>>>> List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video)
>>>>>>> / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) () / 2065 (0x811) ()
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>> Terje J. H
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