[Cin] arm/disarm track confusion

Sun Aug 8 19:19:24 CEST 2021

On Sunday, August 8, 2021, Igor BEGHETTO via Cin <cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>
wrote:

> Andrew,
> I don't see any confusion about Armed/Disarmed track.

>
>
I was thinking about older definition of arming/disarming feature. Guess
attaching or not effects was not primary concern when this feature was
designed.

It seems in Ardour you 'arm' tracks if you want incoming sound/music
recorded on them, and in Cinelerra this idea was extended to sort-of
editing lock...

>
>
> When the new tool "GANG modes" (Gang None, Gang Channels, Gang Media) was
> implemented it has been discussed more in deeper between Users(Glen
> MacArthur in the lead, if I remember right).
> GANG modes is a special feature.
> When you are in "Gang None" mode the usual behaviour is used for the
> Armed/Disarmed tracks.
> When you are using "Gang Channels" and "Gang Media" the Master track
> changes the behaviour of its Slave track (as described in the Manual where
> the Users have discussed, at that time). For the Users that use this mode
> it is really useful and right, because it works so in other software.
> Yes, it may seems strange at the first but, like other complex functions
> in Cinelerra-GG, this is another good one.
>
> IgorBeg
>
>
> Il 08/08/2021 06:44, Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin ha scritto:
>
>> >From quick search I found some confusing references how this feature
>> might behave:
>>
>> ===
>> Arm track determines whether the track is armed or not. Only the armed
>> tracks are affected by editing operations. Make sure you have enough armed
>> destination tracks when you paste or splice material or some tracks in the
>> material will get left out.
>> In addition to restricting editing operations, the armed tracks in
>> combination with the active region determine where material is inserted
>> when loading files. If the files are loaded with one of the insertion
>> strategies which doesn't delete the existing project, the armed tracks will
>> be used as destination tracks.
>>
>> Press Tab while the cursor is anywhere over a track to toggle the track
>> arming status.
>>
>> Press Shift-Tab while the cursor is over a track to toggle the arming
>> status of every other track.
>> ===
>>
>> from http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra/cinelerra.html
>>
>> how you can wonder if _attach effect_ is editing operation or not...
>>
>> https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=433
>>
>> from what I read so far main worry was about _moving_  pieces of media on
>> tracks around, not effect insert per se.
>>
>> I also suspect such strange/uncommon system of working with audio
>> partially comes from broadcast2000 times (you can find image of it with two
>> 5.1 tracks from dvd!). mono/stereo is easy and most commonly used. But 5.1
>> and higher exist, and obviously more complex to work with.
>>
>> ===
>> Make sure all the tracks are “armed” – that is, each of the “Arm track”
>> icons next to the track are highlighted. Until a track is armed, you are
>> mostly unable to edit that track.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> from https://www.calcmaster.net/cinelerra/forgotten-guide/04-medi
>> a-to-tracks/
>>
>> {probably copy/paste from cv and earlier manuals..}
>>
>> *mostly* unable to edit this track is interesting statement....
>>
>> https://cinelerra.skolelinux.narkive.com/YlRvb3Hu/cincvs-cin
>> elerra-on-ubuntu
>> "edit actions manipulate /all/ clips on all armed tracks" - from 2006...
>>
>> so it seems it was _not quite_ lock track behavior...
>>
>> and finally article from 2010.. I think CinGG fixed most/all of most
>> problematic points..
>>
>>
>> ===
>> Stuff it does that I'm indifferent to
>> So there's also some stuff that's different, that I don't love and don't
>> hate:
>>
>> - "Arming" tracks. By default, all tracks are "armed". This means that
>> the little red button next to them is highlighted and you can affect those
>> tracks with editing decisions. If you're inserting stuff then the highest
>> level track that's armed is where the clip ends up. If you're deleting,
>> trimming, highlighting, adding effects, etc., then your decisions apply to
>> ALL ARMED TRACKS. Which gets real confusing real fast when you realise
>> you've accidentally cut three seconds out of your audio track or put an
>> effect on a track you didn't mean too, or trimmed the wrong clip. It's VERY
>> IMPORTANT to only arm the tracks you're using at that time. Usually just
>> one at a time unless you're moving a clip from one track to another. There
>> are times when this is very useful, like if I do have two adjacent clips on
>> different tracks and want to nudge them both back or forward without losing
>> their adjacency. Or if you want to make sure more than one track fades out
>> at exactly the same time, or has the exact same effect (including
>> keyframes) applied. But also it is often confusing. I often have more
>> tracks than I can comfortably see in the size of the timeline window that
>> I'm comfortable using. If I forget what I'm doing, I might accidentally
>> screw up another track and then I have to go find where how and what the
>> hell I've done after I've rendered it all screwed up. I don't hate this
>> method. Because when I do remember what I'm doing (which is most of the
>> time), it really does help make sure that tracks you aren't currently using
>> are "safe" from getting screwed up. You can lock things down tight. But
>> equally I'm not in love with it.
>> ===
>>
>> from https://beccatoria.dreamwidth.org/111857.html?thread=1540337
>> &style=site <https://beccatoria.dreamwidth.org/111857.html?thread=
>> 1540337&style=site>
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
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