[Cin] Debate on batch render

Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux rafamar.mm.ig at gmail.com
Sun Jan 10 19:10:10 CET 2021

At no point did I say that the batch rendering function should be removed.
It was precisely Ugin's query that made me take a look at the Batch Render
The only thing I have indicated is that this assistant has two functions
that do not make any sense.
1 Save to EDL Path can destroy your work
2 Warn if jobs/session mismatchet causes an error, and this function is
linked to the first one.
What Igor explained in his article in Russian is absurd and very dangerous,
both professionals and amateurs when they want to make different versions
of a project do not go to the Batch Render window, but simply make several
versions with save as.

I can't imagine any hobbyist, much less a professional using an application
that puts their work at risk.

I remember that it is only a recommendation to improve and make a useful,
logical tool that does not create problems, and above all that it works and
not with meaningless options that cause errors like the "x job EDLs do not
match session edl" bug.
Greetings Rafa.

El dom, 10 ene 2021 a las 16:57, Phyllis Smith via Cin (<
cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>) escribió:

> *Batch Render is more of an "advanced feature"* and I suspect the casual
> user will never use it, but it is there for those who need it.  A recent
> example being Ugin who needed it and from what he said in his email, he got
> it working for him right away without any real problem.
> There are quite a few features in CinelerraGG that most people will never
> use.  For example, *Render Farm is 12 pages* in the manual and only
> someone with more in depth knowledge will ever use it..  The *Title
> plugin is 10 pages* long but most people can use it without having to
> read and understand all 10 pages, but still there are questions about all
> of the time.
> So we need to *make Batch Render seem more usable *without having to read
> only 5 pages AND without removing key features that were added, not for
> fun, but for necessity.     ...Phyllis
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 10:29 PM Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux via Cin <
> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote:
>> After reading Igor_Ubuntu's extensive article, I still think that a batch
>> render window should be as simple and intuitive as possible a wizard. This
>> is what an audiovisual technician expects to find in such an assistant. In
>> fact, the audiovisual technicians and artists of the union flee from
>> unnecessary complications and especially from assistants without any logic
>> that can even ruin our work.
>> A batch render window has to be explained with just two lines, we are NOT
>> trying to pilot a Boeing 747, we are only trying to do a batch render. Igor
>> to justify the button "Save to EDL Path" has had to write an extensive
>> article ... and it turns out that when an audiovisual technician wants to
>> test different color settings of a project, for example, he will make
>> several .xml versions with the Save as option, which is what this option is
>> for.
>> Something is NOT being done well if for a simple task a long and
>> confusing article is needed to explain the operation of options without
>> sense or work logic in the audiovisual environment.
>> I honestly would not ask any programmer to spend a second of their
>> precious time making hidden and advanced menus of some functions that
>> nobody is going to use, I would simply eliminate the two options mentioned,
>> "Save to EDL Path" and "Warn if jobs/session mismatchet "because no one
>> expects a render window to make changes to the project, beyond the render
>> settings, and what no one expects and wants is a render window that can
>> destroy your work. So I insist, do not waste time beyond removing the
>> functions without any logic or utility and dedicate the time to do more
>> necessary and fruitful things in Cinelerra GG.
>> It is only a recommendation, it is not up to me to decide what should or
>> should not be done in Cinelerra GG.
>> El dom, 10 ene 2021 a las 2:39, Phyllis Smith via Cin (<
>> cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org>) escribió:
>>> I added few tooltips based on suggestions from this article, see patch
>>>  The added tooltips are helpful and probably we should add more so did
>>> not check into GIT yet.  But I might have to fix the following one (smiley
>>> face!)
>>>> +       set_tooltip(_("Save to loaded EDL (highlighted), will
>>>> *overwrite* *nighlighted *proj!"));
>>>> But apparently 'warn if proj/session mismatch' doesn't work as
>>>> intended,
>>>> I'll try to look into it but no promise of solution.
>>>> I also slightly updated russian translation because long russian
>>>> sentence about # of
>>>> CPU used by plugins was stomping away text in Use HW acceleration
>>>> dropdown list!
>>>> ..
>>>> You might apply it anyway,
>>>  Yes, I will apply.
>>> I think some more ru translation work will be needed due to all those
>>>> added strings
>>>> (a bit afraid to do it due to possibility of breackage - but there is
>>>> no other way!)
>>> I agree, have to keep moving forward despite potential errors.
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