[Cin] HDV manual section need some work
Andrew Randrianasulu
randrianasulu at gmail.com
Sat Nov 5 13:46:18 CET 2022
сб, 5 нояб. 2022 г., 15:39 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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> Den 03.11.2022 22:13, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 21:28 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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>> Den 03.11.2022 16:17, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu:
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>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 17:52 Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen at gmail.com>:
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>>> Den 03.11.2022 01:42, skrev Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin:
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>>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 03:34 Andrew Randrianasulu <randrianasulu at gmail.com
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>>>> чт, 3 нояб. 2022 г., 03:14 Andrew Randrianasulu <
>>>> randrianasulu at gmail.com>:
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>>>>> I think we can add some clarification
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>>>>> ---
>>>>> HDV on a Blu-ray Disc Without Re-encoding
>>>>>
>>>>> An MTS file is a video file saved in the high-definition (HD) MPEG
>>>>> Transport Stream video format, commonly called AVCHD. It contains HD video
>>>>> compatible with Blu-ray disc format and is based on the MPEG-2 transport
>>>>> stream. MTS files are often used by Sony, Panasonic, Canon and other HD
>>>>> camcorders. Legal input for Video – MPEG1VIDEO, MPEG2VIDEO, H264; Audio –
>>>>> MP1, MP2, AC3, AC3PLUS, DTS, TRUHD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note, mp2 and mp1 audio codecs are valid for transport stream itself
>>>>> but not as on-disk format for Blu-Rays.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this case you still can save original video by using ffmpeg's
>>>>> switches
>>>>>
>>>>> -c:v copy -c:a ac3 , while outputting into another temporal ts
>>>>> container.
>>>>>
>>>>> {waiting for Terje's results on pcm_bluray case}
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>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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>>>>>
>>>>> I think all m2ts files you used for testing were h264/aac (or ac3),
>>>>> not from-camcoder HDVs with mpeg2 video/mp2 audio.
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>>>>> you can try HDV-in-mov from this folder as ffmpeg test file, I think
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>>>>> http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/mov/FCP/
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>>>> oh, this is not mp2 audio but pcm audio. And ..not exactly kind of pcm
>>>> used on blurays!
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>>>> so this line work, note mpegts_m2ts_mode switch for enabling more
>>>> bluray like output, without it ffmpeg will mux audio into private stream -
>>>> good luck getting it back!
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>>>> ffmpeg -i HDV_1080i50.mov -c:v copy -c:a pcm_bluray -mpegts_m2ts_mode
>>>> 1 hdv.mts
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>>>> then tsmuxer recognizes mts file as below:
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>>>> ~/tsMuxer $ tsmuxer hdv.mts
>>>> tsMuxeR version 2.6.16-dev. github.com/justdan96/tsMuxer
>>>> Track ID: 4113
>>>> Stream type: MPEG-2
>>>> Stream ID: V_MPEG-2
>>>> Stream info: Profile: Main at 6. Resolution: 1440:1080i. Frame rate: 25
>>>> Stream lang:
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>>>> Track ID: 4352
>>>> Stream type: LPCM
>>>> Stream ID: A_LPCM
>>>> Stream info: Bitrate: 1536Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 2 Bits
>>>> per sample: 16bit
>>>> Stream lang: eng
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>>>> Duration: 00:00:08.000
>>>>
>>>> ====
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>>>> I wonder if you can cp this file few times and then cat them back
>>>> together for simulating longer video ) ?
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>>> https://github.com/OpenShot/openshot-qt/issues/3428#top
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>>> this one contain real very short hdv sample with mp2 sound
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>>> http://twenkid.com/os/3.m2t
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>>> I can try to dig and test further into this matter later this month - or
>>> possibly more realistic next month.
>>> Currently I spend some holiday weeks on Gran Canaria 😎
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>> have good times (even without camcoder!)
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>>> Some thoughts in advance:
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>>> Would it possibly be better/clear to differ/split between the formats,
>>> HDV video on tape (M2T container) and the successor H264/AVC(HD) video on
>>> disk?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV
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>> sure, right now it confusing.
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>>> Possibly you still have the probably little longer HDV 1080i sample
>>> file, "20081103140154.m2t" we used for the HDV format patch here
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/cin@lists.cinelerra-gg.org/msg02048.html
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>> yeah, will call my friend 'find' )
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>> thanks!
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>>> And if Phyllis has access to a Blu-ray disc burner and BD hw player,
>>> testing could possibly start sooner(?)
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>>>>>
>>>>> ----
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>>>>> For creating a blu-ray disc, if you have HDV MPEG-2 media that is in
>>>>> blu-ray format, you can save the original quality of your work, rather than
>>>>> rendering it to another format.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> {I hope Terje will let us know if bdwrite still works with bluray pcm
>>>>> audio as produced by ffmpeg 5.1+}
>>>>>
>>>>
>> I forgot one question:
>> Will it be possible and how to access and use ffmpeg-5.x included with
>> Cin-GG in a terminal as usual?
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> if you compile your own cinelerra ffmpeg binary will be in
> thirdparty/ffmpeg-5.1/ffmpeg
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> we do not install this binary because cin does all work via library
> interface.
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> So I think you can do single-user build and then play with compiled binary
> and may be even use it in shell scripting as described in
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> https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_Manual/Menu_Bar_Shell_Commands.html
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>> The latest openSUSE Leap 15.4 distro I use, has so far no official
>> ffmpeg-5.x package or codec enabled from Packman.
>> I have add-installed ffmpeg-5.1.2 from OBS (Open Build Service), but
>> don't know if it works.
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> A first test step with add-installed Experimental
> ffmpeg-5-5.1.2-lp154.35.1.x86_64.rpm for Leap 15.4 from
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> https://software.opensuse.org/download/package?package=ffmpeg-5&project=multimedia%3Alibs
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/multimedia%3Alibs/ffmpeg-5
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> zypper addrepo
> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:libs/15.4/multimedia:libs.repo
> zypper refresh
> zypper install ffmpeg-5
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> ----------------
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> ffmpeg -i 3.m2t -c:v copy -c:a pcm_bluray output.ts
> ffmpeg version 5.1.2 Copyright (c) 2000-2022 the FFmpeg developers
> built with gcc 7 (SUSE Linux)
> -------------
> Input #0, mpegts, from '3.m2t':
> Duration: 00:00:03.10, start: 1.400000, bitrate: 21633 kb/s
> Program 1
> Metadata:
> service_name : Service01
> service_provider: FFmpeg
> Stream #0:0[0x100]: Video: mpeg2video (Main) ([2][0][0][0] / 0x0002),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, top first), 1440x1080 [SAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 25000 kb/s,
> 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn
> Side data:
> cpb: bitrate max/min/avg: 25000000/0/0 buffer size: 7340032
> vbv_delay: N/A
> Stream #0:1[0x101]: Audio: mp2 ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, fltp, 384 kb/s
> Unknown encoder 'pcm_bluray'
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> -----------
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> Obviously pcm_bluray encoder is not enabled - only the decoder is enabled.
> Then it will be difficult ...
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> ffmpeg -codecs -hide_banner | egrep "pcm|pcm_bluray"
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> ..AIL. adpcm_4xm ADPCM 4X Movie
> ..AIL. adpcm_adx SEGA CRI ADX ADPCM
> ..AIL. adpcm_afc ADPCM Nintendo Gamecube AFC
> ..AIL. adpcm_agm ADPCM AmuseGraphics Movie AGM
> ..AIL. adpcm_aica ADPCM Yamaha AICA
> ..AIL. adpcm_argo ADPCM Argonaut Games
> ..AIL. adpcm_ct ADPCM Creative Technology
> ..AIL. adpcm_dtk ADPCM Nintendo Gamecube DTK
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea ADPCM Electronic Arts
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_maxis_xa ADPCM Electronic Arts Maxis CDROM XA
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r1 ADPCM Electronic Arts R1
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r2 ADPCM Electronic Arts R2
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_r3 ADPCM Electronic Arts R3
> ..AIL. adpcm_ea_xas ADPCM Electronic Arts XAS
> ..AIL. adpcm_g722 G.722 ADPCM
> ..AIL. adpcm_g726 G.726 ADPCM
> ..AIL. adpcm_g726le G.726 ADPCM little-endian
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_acorn ADPCM IMA Acorn Replay
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_alp ADPCM IMA High Voltage Software ALP
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_amv ADPCM IMA AMV
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_apc ADPCM IMA CRYO APC
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_apm ADPCM IMA Ubisoft APM
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_cunning ADPCM IMA Cunning Developments
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dat4 ADPCM IMA Eurocom DAT4
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dk3 ADPCM IMA Duck DK3
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_dk4 ADPCM IMA Duck DK4
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ea_eacs ADPCM IMA Electronic Arts EACS
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ea_sead ADPCM IMA Electronic Arts SEAD
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_iss ADPCM IMA Funcom ISS
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_moflex ADPCM IMA MobiClip MOFLEX
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_mtf ADPCM IMA Capcom's MT Framework
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_oki ADPCM IMA Dialogic OKI
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_qt ADPCM IMA QuickTime
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_rad ADPCM IMA Radical
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_smjpeg ADPCM IMA Loki SDL MJPEG
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ssi ADPCM IMA Simon & Schuster Interactive
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_wav ADPCM IMA WAV
> ..AIL. adpcm_ima_ws ADPCM IMA Westwood
> ..AIL. adpcm_ms ADPCM Microsoft
> ..AIL. adpcm_mtaf ADPCM MTAF
> ..AIL. adpcm_psx ADPCM Playstation
> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_2 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 2-bit
> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_3 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 2.6-bit
> ..AIL. adpcm_sbpro_4 ADPCM Sound Blaster Pro 4-bit
> ..AIL. adpcm_swf ADPCM Shockwave Flash
> ..AIL. adpcm_thp ADPCM Nintendo THP
> ..AIL. adpcm_thp_le ADPCM Nintendo THP (Little-Endian)
> ..AIL. adpcm_vima LucasArts VIMA audio
> ..AIL. adpcm_xa ADPCM CDROM XA
> ..AIL. adpcm_yamaha ADPCM Yamaha
> ..AIL. adpcm_zork ADPCM Zork
> ..AIL. derf_dpcm DPCM Xilam DERF
> ..AIL. gremlin_dpcm DPCM Gremlin
> ..AIL. interplay_dpcm DPCM Interplay
> DEAIL. pcm_alaw PCM A-law / G.711 A-law
> D.AI.S pcm_bluray PCM signed 16|20|24-bit big-endian for
> Blu-ray media
> D.AI.S pcm_dvd PCM signed 20|24-bit big-endian
> ..AI.S pcm_f16le PCM 16.8 floating point little-endian
> ..AI.S pcm_f24le PCM 24.0 floating point little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_f32be PCM 32-bit floating point big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_f32le PCM 32-bit floating point little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_f64be PCM 64-bit floating point big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_f64le PCM 64-bit floating point little-endian
> ..AI.S pcm_lxf PCM signed 20-bit little-endian planar
> DEAIL. pcm_mulaw PCM mu-law / G.711 mu-law
> DEAI.S pcm_s16be PCM signed 16-bit big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s16be_planar PCM signed 16-bit big-endian planar
> DEAI.S pcm_s16le PCM signed 16-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s16le_planar PCM signed 16-bit little-endian planar
> DEAI.S pcm_s24be PCM signed 24-bit big-endian
> ..AI.S pcm_s24daud PCM D-Cinema audio signed 24-bit
> DEAI.S pcm_s24le PCM signed 24-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s24le_planar PCM signed 24-bit little-endian planar
> DEAI.S pcm_s32be PCM signed 32-bit big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s32le PCM signed 32-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s32le_planar PCM signed 32-bit little-endian planar
> ..AI.S pcm_s64be PCM signed 64-bit big-endian
> ..AI.S pcm_s64le PCM signed 64-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_s8 PCM signed 8-bit
> DEAI.S pcm_s8_planar PCM signed 8-bit planar
> ..AI.S pcm_sga PCM SGA
> DEAI.S pcm_u16be PCM unsigned 16-bit big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u16le PCM unsigned 16-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u24be PCM unsigned 24-bit big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u24le PCM unsigned 24-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u32be PCM unsigned 32-bit big-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u32le PCM unsigned 32-bit little-endian
> DEAI.S pcm_u8 PCM unsigned 8-bit
> ..AIL. pcm_vidc PCM Archimedes VIDC
> ..AIL. roq_dpcm DPCM id RoQ
> ..AIL. sdx2_dpcm DPCM Squareroot-Delta-Exact
> ..AIL. sol_dpcm DPCM Sol
> ..AIL. xan_dpcm DPCM Xan
>
for me it says
DEAI.S pcm_bluray PCM signed 16|20|24-bit big-endian for Blu-ray
media
on termux. Guess suse people a bit afraid about enabling anything bluray
related in widely-distributed packages. Just for checking you can ask
package maintainer, may be he (?) disabled it by oversight.
So yeah, for this test self-compiled ffmpeg will be more interesting (on
x86/glibc system simple configure/make should give you ff* binaries)
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