[Cin] Canvas in compositor and canvas on timeline are different things ....

Phyllis Smith phylsmith2017 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 26 03:35:43 CEST 2023

Actually I find this quite useful -- the poster is actually keeping up with
CinGG and its latest Manual changes AND inadvertently "helping" us make
corrections !! and before the vast majority of other people who would not
check the GIT but use the pdf or html versions that do not yet have the
updated inclusion.

So I guess this means that the addition of clarification of "edits versus
clips" terminology is correct since it warranted no commentary.

Andrew, thanks for keeping up on these kinds of things and passing them
along so we can hopefully do a better job of addressing them.  Do not feel
hurt -- "According to Cambridge Dictionary, the saying 'any publicity is
good publicity' or 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' is said to
emphasise that it is better that something receives bad publicity than no
publicity at all".  ...Phyllis

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 6:12 PM Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin <
cin at lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote:

> Guess who posted?
> https://linuxvideoediting.blogspot.com/2023/08/canvas-w-ratio-h-ratio-cinelerra.html?lr=1&m=1
> I have no steam for translating, but main point - our documentation  kinda
> confusing when it comes to timeline's canvas and compositor's canvas.
> ====
> А вот определение
> <https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2023-August/006843.html>
> холста, недавно зашедшее в руководство по Cin-GG  -  грубая ошибка,
> свидетельствующая о непонимании фундаментальных основ программы:
> *The entire space comprised by the timebar (horizontal extent) and the
> stack of the tracks, whether empty or occupied, (vertical extent) is called
> the canvas, in analogy of the workspace of raster graphics programs or the
> painter's canvas. It is usual to interchange the terms timeline and canvas.
> In the canvas, Audio tracks are different from Video tracks so a media
> including both audio and video will be split into 2 or more indipendent
> tracks. There is no like function present in other programs, although there
> are workarounds.*
> Оказывается (и отныне) временная линейка и монтажный стол с треками, по
> мнению cin-gg community - это холст.
> Ну и дальше там ещё отжигают:
> *"..media loaded in the timeline (canvas).. This leads to some advantages
> (e.g. putting an effect only in a part of the edit) but one must always
> keep in mind that the edit remains dependent on the track and the entire
> canvas."*
> Эх, community ... Много героев - мало понимания.
> =====
> we have canvas.C and trackcanvas.C - both are drawing areas, but with
> different goals. I guess documentation was written in a bit of hurry, and
> this nuance was not noticed. But now this is weighted against us, accusing
> us in not understanding how cinelerra works. Amazing. I guess at this point
> only two programmers ( Adam and Einar) have full enough understanding of
> cinelerra's internals, and making this 'hidden' knowledge into docs is task
> in itself. But ya, because 'we' have hurt feelings 'we' can't process lets
> just charge without helping - because being bully always works, right?
> What I dislike in whole situation - how one ex-contributor just continues
> to put especially us on pike, and in this behind-the-back way. I guess
> writing two lines to list just hurt too much . :-|
> Now exactly *I* feel hurt, and while I doubt this will made me quit, I do
> not want to silently  eat it, too.
> So, yeah ....
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