March 2020 - Cin - Cinelerra-GG Mailing Lists

Shortcuts
by Igor BEGHETTO 07 Mar '20

07 Mar '20

Hi! > *IMPORTANT: the shortcut for “Delete last track” has been changed* > from the lower case letter “d” > to Ctrl-Shift-D. Having just “d” was somewhat dangerous per Dan > (Quinton?) because off screen. > A “format” option button for ffmpeg in the Render menu shows up when > you click on the Video > wrench icon. This provides a few more tuning operators for the render > for choices like mp4. I think that the shorcuts are useful for the most/frequently used operation/action. Cinelerra have some shortcuts where, I think, you can do without them: for example in File Menu there are "BD Render..." (Ctrl+D) and "DVD Render" (Alt+D). I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift is the key up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the keyboard. About "shortcut for going trough *Autos* keyframes" thread. > We are going to "attempt" to add code to use a shortcut of Alt-a for > next fader/speed/autos and Ctrl-a for previous auto. This should come > in handy. I think, if possible, to use the same shortcuts of the Plugin's keyframes because they are always keyframes, for me. Thanks IgorBeg

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Offtop: Broadcast 2000 actually draws images, too!
by Andrew Randrianasulu 07 Mar '20

07 Mar '20

Victory! It was simple matter of enabling displaying track's content AND hitting 'fit' button :} Audio sort of works too, if I edit /usr/local/bcast/bcast2000.sh for inclusion of aoss wrapper (but it crashes if I try to pause playback) Cool, what else I can say :} And yes, there WAS vertical timeline :} (By the way, resizing main window with all those thumbnails on modern X server IS slow.... you can see it redrawing itself multiple times for few seconds)

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Historical question about Broadcast2000
by Andrew Randrianasulu 06 Mar '20

06 Mar '20

Hello, all! Not sure if anyone will be able to answer this, but I was reading archived page about Broadcast2000 (out of it Cinelerra was born) and found interesting paragraph: https://web.archive.org/web/20010623135738/http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2… -- THE CONSOLE When Broadcast 2000 plays back, it reads large chunks of data from disk, asynchronously sends small fragments through the console, and overlays the output of each module onto the output channels. The same thing happens for video, but video is overlayed on a single output frame instead of channels. Make sure Window->show console is checked, to bring up the console. As you can see, each track on the timeline is routed through a module. It's possible to even synthesize sounds from the console but you must turn off disable tracks when no edits in preferences->playback. Start playing a file and tweek the faders. The O buttons reset the meters in case you clip. The pan box was designed to support more than 2 channels. For 2 channel panning, more precision can be achieved by moving the cross to the bottom of the box and panning left and right. Track titles can be entered from the console as well. Resize the console window and see what happens. --- I wonder how it looked and worked? was it a bit like Node-based editing? (I only saw few videos about Blender and Natron using this mode, never used it myself.) If enough infrastructure remains in Cinelerra for supporting this mode - may be it can be re-instanced ....? I for example can imagine grouping two stereo tracks into 'Eng' and 'Rus' audio tracks in avi/mpeg2/mkv container ..... Not sure if today you can do this in one pass in Cinelerra? Also, shared effect idea makes a bit more sense now, at least for me ... I saw few more references to Broadcast2000: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/00/01/10/1740256/free-realtime-video-editi… comments are mostly ..low-quality, but this is history now :} https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5625 (NLE Video Editors Audio/Video by Robin Rowe on February 1, 2002) I hope this one will stay within archive.org at least .... https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5817 (Amateur Video Production Using Free Software and Linux Audio/Video by Mike Petullo on May 21, 2002) Seriously, 2X 1000Mhz P3 was way above anything I hand back in those years https://tweakers.net/nieuws/8257/broadcast-2000-video-editor-voor-linux.html Two more historical screenshots (probably they missed from archive.org's copy of Cinelerra/Broadcast2000 website - never saw them before ...) This one about Cinelerra already (from 2008) but still I watched small movie from last comment :} https://lwn.net/Articles/262985/ "The Grumpy Editor's video journey part 2: Video editors By Jonathan Corbet January 23, 2008 Part of the LWN Grumpy Editor series" May be one of those days I will prepare VM with old linux and try to compile something as uncompileable as broadcast2000 :}

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Upd: Historical question about Broadcast2000
by Andrew Randrianasulu 06 Mar '20

06 Mar '20

Actually, I compiled it for my (x86, 32bit userspace) machine! https://imgur.com/a/DbKKFZr Only bad thing it doesn't draw those nice video thumbnails ... Input video was done by CinelerraCV (just set output to quicktime/MJPEG-a) :} Actully, this pre-Cinelerra even renders :} But not sure if ALSA interfaces remained stable ... (currently it pretend to use OSS) quick fun .... objcopy -L dv_peek_vlc parse.o (removing conflicting object from libquicktime/libdv/parse.o) hint from https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-7560-start-0.html set global configure to this state: only part of configure shown ########################## COMPILER EOF if test -z "$CFLAGS"; then echo >> global_config "CFLAGS = -O2 -fpermissive -fomit-frame-pointer -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -march=i486 -I/usr/local/include" fi echo >> global_config "CFLAGS += -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" ########################## DEVICE DRIVERS cat >> global_config << EOF CFLAGS += -I. CFLAGS += -DHAVE_OSS ### CFLAGS += -DHAVE_ESOUND #CFLAGS += -DHAVE_ALSA ##CFLAGS += -DHAVE_FIREWIRE --- basically added -fpermissive to CFLAGS, and disabled Esound/Fireware. also disabled mmx, in quicktime's configure in ipc.c in root directory //#include <linux/linkage.h> was commented out by me. after make install and checkinstall I have my Slackware package :} gcc 5.5.0 / glibc-2.23 / kernel 5.1 / X server 1.19.7 :} most important thing - I got my bcast-2000c-src-2001-01-22.tar.gz from srpm, I think .... Ah, no here it is, too http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/apps/ surprizingly enough, Console look like small 4-item window, so no free graphical routing for me :} ---------- Пересланное сообщение ---------- Тема: Historical question about Broadcast2000 Дата: Пятница 06 марта 2020 Отправитель: Andrew Randrianasulu <randrianasulu(a)gmail.com> Получатель: cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org Hello, all! Not sure if anyone will be able to answer this, but I was reading archived page about Broadcast2000 (out of it Cinelerra was born) and found interesting paragraph: https://web.archive.org/web/20010623135738/http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2… -- THE CONSOLE When Broadcast 2000 plays back, it reads large chunks of data from disk, asynchronously sends small fragments through the console, and overlays the output of each module onto the output channels. The same thing happens for video, but video is overlayed on a single output frame instead of channels. Make sure Window->show console is checked, to bring up the console. As you can see, each track on the timeline is routed through a module. It's possible to even synthesize sounds from the console but you must turn off disable tracks when no edits in preferences->playback. Start playing a file and tweek the faders. The O buttons reset the meters in case you clip. The pan box was designed to support more than 2 channels. For 2 channel panning, more precision can be achieved by moving the cross to the bottom of the box and panning left and right. Track titles can be entered from the console as well. Resize the console window and see what happens. --- I wonder how it looked and worked? was it a bit like Node-based editing? (I only saw few videos about Blender and Natron using this mode, never used it myself.) If enough infrastructure remains in Cinelerra for supporting this mode - may be it can be re-instanced ....? I for example can imagine grouping two stereo tracks into 'Eng' and 'Rus' audio tracks in avi/mpeg2/mkv container ..... Not sure if today you can do this in one pass in Cinelerra? Also, shared effect idea makes a bit more sense now, at least for me ... I saw few more references to Broadcast2000: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/00/01/10/1740256/free-realtime-video-editi… comments are mostly ..low-quality, but this is history now :} https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5625 (NLE Video Editors Audio/Video by Robin Rowe on February 1, 2002) I hope this one will stay within archive.org at least .... https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5817 (Amateur Video Production Using Free Software and Linux Audio/Video by Mike Petullo on May 21, 2002) Seriously, 2X 1000Mhz P3 was way above anything I hand back in those years https://tweakers.net/nieuws/8257/broadcast-2000-video-editor-voor-linux.html Two more historical screenshots (probably they missed from archive.org's copy of Cinelerra/Broadcast2000 website - never saw them before ...) This one about Cinelerra already (from 2008) but still I watched small movie from last comment :} https://lwn.net/Articles/262985/ "The Grumpy Editor's video journey part 2: Video editors By Jonathan Corbet January 23, 2008 Part of the LWN Grumpy Editor series" May be one of those days I will prepare VM with old linux and try to compile something as uncompileable as broadcast2000 :} -------------------------------------------------------

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Last realease
by Andrea paz 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

Compiling the new release (2020/03/03) I get many crashes (but no dump). At the terminal I have the following entries: [paz@arch-paz cinelerra-5.1]$ LANGUAGE="en_US:us" LANG="en_US.utf8" /home/paz/cinelerra5/cinelerra-5.1/bin/./cin Cinelerra: Could not set locale. Cinelerra Infinity - built: Mar 3 2020 20:57:57 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git (c) 2006-2019 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams 2007-2020 mods for Cinelerra-GG by W.P.Morrow aka goodguy Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra. BC_Signals::x_error_handler: error_code=2 opcode=151,24 id=0x0 BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) lang changed from '' to 'en_US:us' init plugin index: /home/paz/cinelerra5/cinelerra-5.1/bin/plugins init lv2 index: init ladspa index: /home/paz/cinelerra5/cinelerra-5.1/bin/ladspa BC_Signals::x_error_handler: error_code=2 opcode=151,24 id=0x0 BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) BC_WindowBase::get_glx_context 168: failed BC_WindowBase::enable_opengl 235: no glx context unjoined tids / owner 46 00007fb48affd700 / 00007fb48b7fe700 7VRender 00007fb48b7fe700 / 00007fb4f9e1e700 12RenderEngine 00007fb48bfff700 / 00007fb4e27fc700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4e17fa700 / 00007fb4e27fc700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4e0ff9700 / 00007fb4e27fc700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4e1ffb700 / 00007fb4e27fc700 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4e27fc700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 17PreferencesThread 00007fb4c8ff9700 / 00007fb4d1ffb700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4c97fa700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4c9ffb700 / 00007fb4d1ffb700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4ca7fc700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4caffd700 / 00007fb4d2ffd700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4cbfff700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 10Playback3D 00007fb4cb7fe700 / 00007fb4d3fff700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4d0ff9700 / 00007fb4fcfc4700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4d17fa700 / 00007fb4d2ffd700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4d1ffb700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 7GWindow 00007fb4d27fc700 / 00007fb4d3fff700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4d37fe700 / 00007fb4fcfc4700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4d2ffd700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11LevelWindow 00007fb4d3fff700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 7CWindow 00007fb4fcfc4700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 7AWindow 00007fb4e2ffd700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4e37fe700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11MainIndexes 00007fb4e3fff700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4e8ff9700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4e97fa700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 7SWindow 00007fb4e9ffb700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11ChannelInfo 00007fb4ea7fc700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 18RecordCutAdsStatus 00007fb4eaffd700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 13RecordChannel 00007fb4eb7fe700 / 00007fb4f0ff9700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4ebfff700 / 00007fb4f0ff9700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4f0ff9700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 13RemoteControl 00007fb4f17fa700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4f1ffb700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 14ResourceThread 00007fb4f27fc700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4f2ffd700 / 00007fb4f961d700 15BC_WindowEvents 00007fb4f37fe700 / 00007fb4f961d700 11BC_Repeater 00007fb4f3fff700 / 00007fb4f961d700 9VPlayback 00007fb4f8e1c700 / 00007fb4f961d700 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4f961d700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 7VWindow 00007fb4f9e1e700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 9CPlayback 00007fb4fa61f700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 11CWindowTool 00007fb4fae20700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard 00007fb4fb621700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 16AssetVIconThread 00007fb4fbe22700 / 00007fb4ffdf2800 12BC_Clipboard I updated the Nvidia drivers this morning; are they the cause?

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Canvas.C
by Andrew Randrianasulu 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

..more debug So, after looking at things with gdb (as suggested by Bill) I enabled some more debug this time in canvas.C: diff --git a/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/canvas.C b/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/canvas.C index 17d5a42..8bfa594 100644 --- a/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/canvas.C +++ b/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/canvas.C @@ -368,9 +368,12 @@ int Canvas::get_scrollbars(EDL *edl) h_needed = h_visible = edl ? edl->session->output_h : view_h; int need_xscroll = 0, need_yscroll = 0; + printf("Canvas::get_scrollbars\n"); if( edl && use_scrollbars ) { float zoom_x, zoom_y, conformed_w, conformed_h; + printf("before get_zoom\n"); get_zooms(edl, 0, zoom_x, zoom_y, conformed_w, conformed_h); + printf("after get_zoom\n"); w_visible = canvas_w / zoom_x; h_visible = canvas_h / zoom_y; float output_x = 0, output_y = 0; @@ -381,6 +384,7 @@ int Canvas::get_scrollbars(EDL *edl) output_to_canvas(edl, 0, output_x, output_y); if( output_x > canvas_w ) need_xscroll = 1; if( output_y > canvas_h ) need_yscroll = 1; + printf("Need xscrool, %i , need_yscroll %i \n", need_xscroll, need_yscroll); if( need_xscroll ) { canvas_h -= BC_ScrollBar::get_span(SCROLL_HORIZ); h_visible = canvas_h / zoom_y; @@ -438,6 +442,7 @@ int Canvas::get_scrollbars(EDL *edl) void Canvas::update_geometry(EDL *edl, int x, int y, int w, int h) { + printf("Canvas::update_geometry\n"); int redraw = 0; if( this->x != x || this->y != y || this->w != w || this->h != h ) @@ -452,9 +457,9 @@ void Canvas::reposition_window(EDL *edl, int x, int y, int w, int h) { this->x = view_x = x; this->y = view_y = y; this->w = view_w = w; this->h = view_h = h; -//printf("Canvas::reposition_window 1\n"); +printf("Canvas::reposition_window 1\n"); get_scrollbars(edl); -//printf("Canvas::reposition_window %d %d %d %d\n", view_x, view_y, view_w, view_h); +printf("Canvas::reposition_window %d %d %d %d\n", view_x, view_y, view_w, view_h); if( canvas_subwindow ) { canvas_subwindow->reposition_window(view_x, view_y, view_w, view_h); --- and it runs up to: BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event 956 Cinelerra: Составитель 0xe0445600 4 (ButtonPress) CTimeBar:pixel_to_Position CTimeBar: pixel, 83 CTimebar:pix_to_pos: Got EDL! CTimebar:pix_to_pos: prev_start 0.000000, prev_end -1.000000 CTimeBar:pixel_to_pos start, 0, end 0 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd36fcc8 1360 Canvas::update_geometry Canvas::get_scrollbars before get_zoom after get_zoom Need xscrool, 1 , need_yscroll 1 Canvas::reposition_window 1 Canvas::get_scrollbars before get_zoom after get_zoom Need xscrool, 1 , need_yscroll 1 Canvas::reposition_window 23 0 959 552 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe2f10450 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd6373a0 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd70da30 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd36fcc8 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd43ca60 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xd36fcc8 1360

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worse zoom quality when original foto is big
by deim31 03 Mar '20

03 Mar '20

Hi, I noticed when I paste e.g. 12 MPx photo - and video output is e.g. 720p or 1080p the quality of zoomed-out photos is somehow bad - when I use Scale or Auto Scale the result was worse than camera automation but either result wasn't in good quality. Thanks, deim

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Ctimebar.C
by Andrew Randrianasulu 03 Mar '20

03 Mar '20

Hi, all So, I tried to debug non-working/freezing timebar in Compositor .... BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event 956 Cinelerra: Составитель 0xe277658 6 (MotionNotify) BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe3d9b40 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event 956 Cinelerra: Составитель 0xdae2758 4 (ButtonPress) CTimeBar:pixel_to_Position CTimeBar: pixel, 110 CTimebar:pix_to_pos: Got EDL! CTimebar:pix_to_pos: prev_start 0.000000, prev_end -1.000000 CTimeBar:pixel_to_pos start, 0, end 0 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe2d10450 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe849748 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe582418 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe1480d0 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe920510 1360 BC_WindowBase::dispatch_event this=0xe582418 1360 additional printfs added by me: diff --git a/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/ctimebar.C b/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/ctimebar.C index b9fb0bd..e0a1ee5 100644 --- a/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/ctimebar.C +++ b/cinelerra-5.1/cinelerra/ctimebar.C @@ -59,23 +59,30 @@ EDL* CTimeBar::get_edl() void CTimeBar::draw_time() { + printf("CTimeBar::draw_time before draw_range"); draw_range(); + printf("CTimeBar::draw_time after draw_range"); } double CTimeBar::pixel_to_position(int pixel) { + printf("CTimeBar:pixel_to_Position \n"); + printf("CTimeBar: pixel, %i \n", pixel); double start = 0, end = get_edl_length(); EDL *edl = get_edl(); if( edl ) { + printf("CTimebar:pix_to_pos: Got EDL!\n"); double preview_start = edl->local_session->preview_start; double preview_end = edl->local_session->preview_end; + printf("CTimebar:pix_to_pos: prev_start %f, prev_end %f \n", preview_start, preview_end); if( preview_end >= 0 || preview_start > 0 ) start = preview_start; if( preview_end >= 0 && preview_end < end ) end = preview_end; } if( start > end ) start = end; + printf("CTimeBar:pixel_to_pos start, %d, end %d \n" , start, end); return start + (double)pixel * (end - start) / get_w(); } Hm, so preview end for some reason become negative???

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Importing tracks with timecode
by Daniel Reurich 02 Mar '20

02 Mar '20

Hi, I have a bunch of video recordings of different camera's for the same event that are timeclock synchronized. How do I import them using timecode as the placement reference. Thanks, Daniel. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722

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Big library upgrades checked in -- hoping someone can build as a check
by Phyllis Smith 02 Mar '20

02 Mar '20

This was a weird month's work for gg. If someone who ordinarily builds themselves has a chance to build, that would be awesome. Then just do some generic stuff. Libraries upgraded are: giflib, libjpeg, twolame, tiff, x264, x265, dav1d, opus, nv-codec-headers, libwebp, openjpeg, and for LV2 – jalv, suil, sratom, lilvsord, and serd Some other stuff that just got checked in: - new option when do a Render with mp4 when you click on Video wrench, there is a new button "format" which provides some more ffmpeg available options (some are available to use and others not depending on whether ffmpeg has a hook up Cin can use). - pulse audio is going to be added to the builds so it should be a choice in Preferences, PlaybackA , but I have not tested that yet on my laptop because it does not show up for me. (We are still testing and will be all day today). - other messages and minor tweaks in like h264/h265_nvenc.mp4 quality changed from medium to high as Andrea suggested. We will try to get a Mint 19.3 static tar built for testing too. Thanks, gg/Phyllis

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