June 2021 - Cin - Cinelerra-GG Mailing Lists

Problem with last Cinelerra-GG version
by david 28 Jun '21

28 Jun '21

Hi, all. I have tried running in my Debian system both AppImage file and Elive package, but both launch a segment violation error. Any other with this problem. I use Debian testing with last updates. Thank you. -- David

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I tried to add new blend mode but it does not work?
by Andrew Randrianasulu 26 Jun '21

26 Jun '21

see attached patch (it copypastes badly) it compiles but I tried solid-color track over fading png text (as in black_flash.xml) and I can't see it working? I just hope it can serve as guide what to modify for adding new modes.. I tried to write down math from this page: https://natron.readthedocs.io/en/rb-2.3/plugins/net.sf.openfx.MergePlugin.h…

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Re: [Cin] Fade black flash
by Andrew Randrianasulu 24 Jun '21

24 Jun '21

On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That is so weird. Well, I think will have to rely on Freelancer to know > what he is doing and > assume it will not break anything. Even if it is slower, it is a bad bug > and should be fixed. > I am glad you found the URL about the LINEAR and SRGB. > ah, got it.. I forgot to place png on underlaying track... (was using just background png in titler) while i still think it may be normal operation, considering you can 'fix' it by switching to porter-duff / srcOver? https://cloud.mail.ru/public/7a43/L2XrXVwAD nearly 30 mb.. or this is not that you generally want? should png itself contain alpha channel? (like they do in this case) or Cin's compositor will add it automagically as you load to rgba project? i mean if you do not want to use them as masks... > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:20 PM Andrew Randrianasulu < > randrianasulu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> with vpn it works, in sense I clearly see fade to black before it starts >> to fade _from_ invisibility... >> >> but i stll can't get same effect locally ( >> >> On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Andrew Randrianasulu <randrianasulu(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> nope ( >>> >>> probably internet provider having troubles or just blocked addr .. ( >>> >>> i can try vpn but speed was not stellar last time I tried it.. >>> >>> sorry for inconvience ( >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Phyllis Smith <phylsmith2017(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Try this one instead: >>>> https://streamable.com/jcmq6j >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:03 PM Andrew Randrianasulu < >>>> randrianasulu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Phyllis Smith via Cin < >>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here is the demo playing the whole timeline >>>>>> https://streamable.com/v29e38 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sorry, streamable returns 'address not found' error if I try to follow >>>>> this or any other similar link :( >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What I am so worried about this mod is because it probably affects >>>>>> the "Overlay Modes" in the Patchbay. >>>>>> That is Arithmetic, Logical, Normal, Porter Duff, Graphic -- I do not >>>>>> mind testing them but I am not sure that I can do a good job. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well... it also probably will add some cpu overhead... may be 'gamma' >>>>> plugin can also hide this flashing effect? (looking purely at how changes >>>>> named...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 1:06 PM Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin < >>>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Andrew Randrianasulu < >>>>>>> randrianasulu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021, Phyllis Smith via Cin < >>>>>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrew, >>>>>>>>> Also, I downloaded your mp4 and looking at the bottom times on the >>>>>>>>> main window towards the right side, you should see problem at: >>>>>>>>> 0:00:04:01 and 0:00:25:07 IF you loaded the example starting at >>>>>>>>> the beginning of the timeline. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you mean by deleting part of timeline just before first title >>>>>>>> plugin? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't see flash in this demo, even if in Youtube video at 0.25 >>>>>>>> speed I clearly can see it ( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also tried to check and uncheck 'play every frame' - but still >>>>>>>> bug not surfaced *for me now* even if I think I saw it on my desktop >>>>>>>> machine... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> new demo.. >>>>>>> https://cloud.mail.ru/public/fBmm/mpXTuszzH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I play yours I do not see it >>>>>>>>> playing at that time. I "think" I see the flash at 0:00:06:2---- >>>>>>>>> but the time stamp is cut off in your demo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 11:58 AM Andrew Randrianasulu via Cin < >>>>>>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for some reason I can't see bug with X11/xv outputs (I do not >>>>>>>>>> have OpenGl in this environment..) and rgb/a-8 or yuv(a) 8 as project's >>>>>>>>>> colorformat ?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://cloud.mail.ru/public/4Dcd/s58jmvHYF >>>>>>>>>> should give you screenrecord around 9 mb... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, Camille Harang via Cin < >>>>>>>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've attached the editing file along with the PNGs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Camille. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Le 09/03/2021 à 01:41, Sam via Cin a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Camille, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I vaguely remember such a similar case, but it was a very long >>>>>>>>>>> time ago, hence this old work around with the fade line. >>>>>>>>>>> However, after trying to reproduce this problem currently, I >>>>>>>>>>> have not succeeded. It runs fine every time, just like Phyllis, without the >>>>>>>>>>> problem you describe. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My question to you. Which Cinelerra version are you using? Can >>>>>>>>>>> you show a screenshot or short video of your timeline scenario and what >>>>>>>>>>> parameters are set on your end so we can better reproduce the error? Maybe >>>>>>>>>>> we missed a setting you are doing and with an exact match of the setting we >>>>>>>>>>> can reproduce this issue. Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 09.03.21 um 00:48 schrieb Phyllis Smith via Cin: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Camille, >>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, I never see a flash and I have tried several >>>>>>>>>>> variations based on your description with the "fade in text parameter" >>>>>>>>>>> being the easiest. I did do a recording of it and planned to show that but >>>>>>>>>>> the recording does not do a precise capture job so you can not tell it is >>>>>>>>>>> working correctly. There was no flash when playing at normal speed and >>>>>>>>>>> then I tried single stepping and still no flash. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrea, >>>>>>>>>>> I will try attaching a screenshot of how to set this up easily >>>>>>>>>>> with the hopes that you can try that. Basically, I just created about 3 >>>>>>>>>>> seconds of nothing and added a Title plugin making sure to set the Fade >>>>>>>>>>> parameter on the Title menu to 3.0 seconds (I use the reset button first to >>>>>>>>>>> make sure there are no leftover weird settings). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:22 AM Camille Harang via Cin < >>>>>>>>>>> cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sam, thanks for your reply, yes the fade line works, however >>>>>>>>>>>> it's not suitable for what I want to do, I want to fade many snippets of >>>>>>>>>>>> text and transparent PNGs on the same track, with always the same video >>>>>>>>>>>> transition filter set to the same duration. Otherwise it's too complicated >>>>>>>>>>>> to combine them on two tracks and adjust manually the fade curve for each. >>>>>>>>>>>> I posted the example of fade in text parameter as it's simpler than >>>>>>>>>>>> transition do explain, but it produces the same "black flash" bug. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Camille. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Cin mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cin mailing list >>>>>>> Cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org >>>>>>> https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin >>>>>>> >>>>>>

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Fade black flash
by Camille Harang 24 Jun '21

24 Jun '21

Hello, when I put a fade in the title video effect (here the white "Hello" text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJLj0w6NUSo) you can see that letters appears as a black flash briefly in the first few frames, then goes back to transparent, then the fade starts normally with the white color. Does anyone know how to fix this? I have the same problem when using transparent PNG images with fade video transitions, first black, then normal transparency. Thank you very much, Bests, Camille.

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hdmi capture card (with v4l2)
by Andrew Randrianasulu 23 Jun '21

23 Jun '21

A bit on pricely side... (~900 usd) but in theory should be supported by out-of-tree v4l2 (gpl2) driver.. https://github.com/aja-video/ntv2-v4l2 https://www.aja.com/products/kona-hdmi === Features 4K/UltraHD/2K/HD/SD up to 50/60p 4x full-size HDMI inputs each with 8-channel embedded audio HDMI 2.0 (port 1 & 2) and HDMI 1.4b (ports 3 & 4) RGB 4:4:4 12-bit, YCbCr 4:2:2 10-bit and HFR workflows supported Simultaneous capture of 2x 4K/UltraHD or 4x 2K/HD Capture stunning HDR from cameras, game consoles, and more PQ, HLG, HDR10 and Dolby Vision Support* HDR Metadata Capture Video4Linux (V4L2) and DirectShow support Compatible with leading creative apps such as Telestream® Wirecast®, vMix® and more ==== of course it will be interesting to know if such card/driver actually work with CinGG's v4l2 capture implementation....

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offtopic: "Timeline analog" -- history of editing book series
by Andrew Randrianasulu 22 Jun '21

22 Jun '21

https://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=20&id=2313… ==== Volume 1 (seems to be full), which deals with the period up to 1970, film editing, Moviolas, Steenbecks, KEMs, invention of videotape: tablo.io/velocite/MTE4OQ== Volume 2 (partial), 1971-1980: computers, video, CMX etc tablo.io/velocite/NzY= Volume 3 (partial), 1981-1989: EditDroid, Montage, start of Avid etc tablo.io/velocite/ODE= Volume 6 (full), 1996-2000: FinalCut, Premiere, the struggles of Lightworks under Tektronix etc: tablo.io/velocite/timeline-analog-6 === quote end === cool, I only read Vol 1. more or less full over evening/night. Not all pictures show up, but it was interesting read anyway...

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Cannot render above 60FPS
by gorge rankin 20 Jun '21

20 Jun '21

Hello, I cannot seem to figure out how to render video over 60FPS. I can do 60 FPS and below with no issue. Everything is rock solid stable and very performant. I am using Cin gg latest on Ubuntu. My source video is 2560x1440 at 90FPS. What I've been doing: - start new project - Settings -> Format, manually type 90.000 in "Frame Rate". Ensure that 2560 and 1440 are in Width and Height accordingly. Then I click apply, then click OK. - load my file through resources. right click on thumb of my video in resources, and choose "match all". Then when I render my project with "File Format" of "FFMPEG" and "type" of "mp4" I get these error message windows/errors: One error window with: ------------ "Couldn't open /path/to/outfile.mp4" ------------ and another window titled "Cinelerra: Messages" with this in it: -------------- int FFMPEG:open_encoder(const char*, const char*): check_frame_rate failed /path/to/outfile.mp4 --------- Am I doing something wrong? Thank you in advance.

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Any chance of adding FFMPeg's 'atempo' filter ?
by gorge rankin 20 Jun '21

20 Jun '21

I'm still learning Cin, so if this filter is already in place, then I apologize. FFMpeg has a nice audio "filter" called "atempo". https://ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-filters.html#atempo This filter is already in other projects, such as Kdenlive and Shotcut. What it does is, you can speed up audio, and will adjust the pitch so that the audio sounds more normal, but faster. It does not sound like "Alvin and the Chipmunks" :) This behavior can be seen when you watch a YT video, click the gear icon, and select a speed greater or less than 1. I'm attaching the FFMpeg sample code that I had modified/played with years ago when I was learning it. I 'tweaked' it today, so it will compile in Ubuntu 21.04 using a c++ compiler. I used Qt. There's depreciation warnings and this certainly isn't production code. But it should help others to grasp the concepts to implement it. My Qt pro file has this: TEMPLATE = app CONFIG += console c++11 CONFIG -= app_bundle CONFIG -= qt SOURCES += main.cpp LIBS += -lavcodec -lavformat -lavutil -lswresample -lasound -lavfilter -lasound I put an Option 1 and Option 2 in the main.cpp file. Option 1 simple writes your infile - no modifications to out.raw. Option 2 applies the atempo filter. So comment and rebuild accordingly. It should only take 2 seconds or so to compile. I'm hoping, that perhaps someday, I can simply drop an effect onto my timeline so that I can speed up video/audio in one go and have nicer sounding audio for my needs. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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link to my termux/arm + updates series
by Andrew Randrianasulu 20 Jun '21

20 Jun '21

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/bWaE/dc7SyhYxU x264, libaom and libjpeg-turbo updared, fixes for exportedl, multilib x265

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mxf muxing presets
by Andrew Randrianasulu 19 Jun '21

19 Jun '21

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/5068 according to this you can mux baseline profile h264 into mxf Also should be supported: dv video (with better 4:2:2 subsampling) mpeg2 (not sure about GOP size?) Avc-intra 100 (intra-only variant of h264 with yuv422p10le colorspace, 100 mbit/s) audio is pcm, 16 or 24 bit please try? put mxf_pcm* into ffmpeg/audio and rest in ffmpeg/video, try to render those and see if other NLEs or tools accept those files...

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