February 2019 - Cin - Cinelerra-GG Mailing Lists

Ripple, Rolling, Slip tools in the new version
by Igor BEGHETTO 23 Feb '19

23 Feb '19

Hi GG/Phyllis, I am using the new month build and thank you for your great work. A few questions. 1) Ripple tool (more used). I can see, now, that Ripple tool is not a very ripple edit, for me. I know (knew at this point) that Ripple tool may made shorter or longera clip. Now I can made shorter or longer a clip only on right side of that clip. I added a screencast: https://streamable.com/1vs0f For me the right way is like before. I added a quickly scheme with four cases, following your scheme. (See file "ripple-edit.txt" appended). 2) Rolling tool. Okay. I added a screencast: https://streamable.com/g6cpr 3) Slip tool. Now, when I drag to left in timeline, the Compositor shows the clip to go forward in the time and vice versa. I added a screencast: https://streamable.com/kuh0k I would expect that if I drag to left the Compositor shows the clip to go back in the time. (See file "slip-edit.txt" appended) More, if possible, it would be useful if the Compositor could show the split view with, on the left side shows the clip's InPoint that changes and on the right side shows the clips's OutPoint that changes. What do you think about, please? If I am wrong you can tell me. Thank you. IgorBeg

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thirdparty LADSPA and fftw3
by Andrew Randrianasulu 23 Feb '19

23 Feb '19

Hi! I think I found reason why LADSPA was unable to find fftw3 ...it searches not just for fftw3, but for fftw3f, and this version of library emerges if you add --enable-float to fftw3 configure. https://www.astromatic.net/forum/printthread.php?tid=158&page=2

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Batch render window usage lead to BOOBY
by Andrew Randrianasulu 23 Feb '19

23 Feb '19

Hello! I was trying to get batch rendering working, loaded two tracks, overlayed them with 50% fade for top tarck, added color3way plugin for top track too ..then 'save project as ..' saved it. Next in Batch render window loaded current EDL as active, set output and such... created batch job. Started it, just for seeing if it will progress. It started to work. I stopped it. And after closing Batch render window tried to exit Cin. result: cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: Feb 18 2019 13:02:04 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git (c) 2006-2018 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams (c) 2007-2018 cin5 derivative by W.P. Morrow aka goodguy Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra. int MWindow::load_filenames(ArrayList<char*>*, int, int): XML-файл /home/guest/Nokia/two_tracks_1280_720_proj_fade_50_color3way.xml был создан не в Cinelerra. Mutex::unlock not locked: XMLBuffer::share_lock BOOBY! cin(_Z5boobyv+0x2f) [0x871f1bf] cin(_ZN5Mutex6unlockEv+0xe8) [0x8735e08] cin(_ZN7FileXMLD2Ev+0x66) [0x8432836] cin(_ZN17BatchRenderThread14test_edl_filesEv+0x48d) [0x838db9d] cin(_ZN17BatchRenderThread15start_renderingEv+0x72) [0x838dfd2] cin(_ZN16BatchRenderStart12handle_eventEv+0x17) [0x838e117] cin(_ZN9BC_Button20button_release_eventEv+0x67) [0x86ded17] cin(_ZN13BC_WindowBase23dispatch_button_releaseEv+0x33) [0x8723e13] cin(_ZN13BC_WindowBase14dispatch_eventEP7_XEvent+0x4c6) [0x872ba96] cin(_ZN13BC_WindowBase10run_windowEv+0x9e) [0x872c74e] cin(_ZN15BC_DialogThread3runEv+0x42) [0x86e23f2] cin(_ZN6Thread10entrypointEPv+0x3f) [0x873b88f] /lib/libpthread.so.0(+0x66f2) [0xf77d66f2] /lib/libc.so.6(clone+0x6e) [0xf730a1ee] Render::render_single: Session finished. Session time: 0:05:11 Cpu time: user: 0:01:40.256 sys: 0:00:10.688

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cinelerra-gg on ppc64el
by Daniel Reurich 22 Feb '19

22 Feb '19

Hi, I'm a Developer for Devuan GNU/Linux - the Debian fork. I've been using cinelerra on and of for casual video editing for years.... I'm stuck on it and can't seem to find anything else that is open source and has the features I like. Anyway, I have a RaptorCS TalosII server - 64bit powerppc with dual 8core - 4 symmetric threads per core running Devuan GNU/Linux - see www.devuan.org - ( my other time consuming hobby ). I would like to build cinelerra-gg for the ppc64el architecture - mostly to use as at this stage as a render node for a project I"m working on. What I'd like is a url to the git repo so I can pull the source tree - I prefer this to using tar balls. Thanks, Daniel. -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722

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Easy Way To Visualize An Audio Track
by Benrob0329 20 Feb '19

20 Feb '19

I'm wondering if there is an easy way I can use an effect or similar function to display the waveform of an audio track in the compositor output (and final render). So far I've only seen ways to analize the audio waveform and spectrum, which is not what I want in the case. I know that ffmpeg can do it, but I'd like to avoid an extra step when editing.

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Issues in MantisBT - closing or resolving - sometimes too soon
by Phyllis Smith 19 Feb '19

19 Feb '19

Just a quick note. I sometimes mark as "Closed" or "Resolved" issues in MantisBT before I should and then no one can add another Note. Just to clarify, I am only doing this so I can keep track of what I no longer am testing, verifying, or there are no plans to do anything more on the issue. It makes it easier for us to find the issues that yet need to be addressed. If you want to add another Note, just request to re-open, or just do like Pierre and email a followup. gg/pys

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Re: [Cin] No sound possible with the Jog
by Pierre autourduglobe 19 Feb '19

19 Feb '19

I am confident that Sam can identify useful functions to place on the Shuttle. I would just like to mention that I think it is better to focus on features that are useful when it makes sense to use the Jog-Shuttel's roller ring. On 19-02-18 18 h 12, Mantis Bug Tracker wrote: > The following issue has been CLOSED > ====================================================================== > https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=140 > ====================================================================== > Reported By: Pierre > Assigned To: PhyllisSmith > ====================================================================== > Project: Cinelerra-GG > Issue ID: 140 > Category: Bug > Reproducibility: always > Severity: minor > Priority: normal > Status: closed > Resolution: not fixable > Fixed in Version: > ====================================================================== > Date Submitted: 2019-02-18 21:14 UTC > Last Modified: 2019-02-18 23:12 UTC > ====================================================================== > Summary: No sound possible with the Jog > Description: > The Jog does not allow you to hear the sound when you press the Shift key, while > it is possible, with the "4" and "1" keys. > ====================================================================== > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > (0000945) PhyllisSmith (manager) - 2019-02-18 22:26 > https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=140#c945 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Shuttle is not nearly as smart as that. It does not know anything about the > keyboard - just like the mouse, another hid (Human Interface Device), it does > not know that the Shift key is held down. > > A good use for more keys on the shuttle would be to define the 1 and 4 with the > Shift key added. This works: > K2 Shift-XK_KP_4 > K3 Shift-XK_KP_1 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > (0000946) Pierre (updater) - 2019-02-18 22:53 > https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=140#c946 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > If these buttons don't allow to activate the sound with the Jog... I don't think > they will be so useful; they can also be accessed through the keyboard and it > remains a function that is not often used. > > We will find more useful for these buttons.... > > I don't often use camera-projection effects, but I wouldn't be surprised if we > could find shortcuts there that would be useful on the Shuttle. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > (0000947) PhyllisSmith (manager) - 2019-02-18 23:12 > https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=140#c947 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sam is always using the Projector and Camera and looking for shortcuts - just > added Shift-F11 and Shift-F12 in that regards. These F keys are really hard to > reach on the top row of the keyboard and we have run out of key combinations to > use just about everywhere so I agree that keeping some Shuttle keys available > for new functionality (like going to the next white space in the Viewer for > Inter-View mode) is a much better idea. > > Issue History > Date Modified Username Field Change > ====================================================================== > 2019-02-18 21:14 Pierre New Issue > 2019-02-18 22:24 PhyllisSmith Assigned To => PhyllisSmith > 2019-02-18 22:24 PhyllisSmith Status new => assigned > 2019-02-18 22:26 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0000945 > 2019-02-18 22:28 PhyllisSmith Status assigned => > acknowledged > 2019-02-18 22:53 Pierre Note Added: 0000946 > 2019-02-18 23:12 PhyllisSmith Status acknowledged => closed > 2019-02-18 23:12 PhyllisSmith Resolution open => not fixable > 2019-02-18 23:12 PhyllisSmith Note Added: 0000947 > ====================================================================== > >

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gcc and avx
by Andrew Randrianasulu 18 Feb '19

18 Feb '19

Well, I don't know asm, so i looked for some nice script for searching inside objdump's output.. Found this: https://superuser.com/questions/726395/how-to-check-if-a-binary-requires-ss… this leads to https://pastebin.com/A8bAuHAP (attached) running it on color3way plugin resulted in few AVX instructions! objdump -M intel -d /dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/color3way/i686/color3way.o | ./opcodes.sh -s SSE2 -s SSE3 -s SSE -s AVX | less ------------------------ 16e: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 427: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 69c: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 721: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- e88: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- f20: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 1000: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 104e: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper -- 4130: c5 f8 77 vzeroupper ----------------------------- cflags were: cat /dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/color3way/i686/c_flags -O3 -march=native -mtune=native -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -DCIN="cin" -DCINLIB_DIR="/usr/lib/cin" -DCINDAT_DIR="/usr/share/cin" -DCONFIG_DIR="$HOME/.bcast5" -DPLUGIN_DIR="/usr/lib/cin/plugins" -DLOCALE_DIR="/usr/share/locale" -DLADSPA_DIR="/usr/lib/cin/ladspa" -DCIN_BROWSER="firefox" -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-math-errno -fno-signed-zeros -pthread -Wall -Wno-unknown-warning -Wno-unused-result -Wno-stringop-overflow -Wno-format-truncation -Wno-format-overflow -Wno-parentheses -Wno-stringop-truncation -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS -DPNG_SKIP_SETJMP_CHECK=1 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/uuid -I/usr/local/include/uuid -I/usr/include/mjpegtools -I/usr/local/include/mjpegtools -I/usr/include/OpenEXR -I/usr/local/include/OpenEXR -DHAVE_CIN_3RDPARTY -DHAVE_GL -DHAVE_XFT -DHAVE_XXF86VM -DHAVE_OSS -DHAVE_ALSA -DHAVE_FIREWIRE -DHAVE_DV -DHAVE_DVB -DHAVE_VIDEO4LINUX2 -DHAVE_OPENEXR -DHAVE_LV2 -DHAVE_COMMERCIAL -DHAVE_LIBZMPEG -DHAVE_SHUTTLE -I../ -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../cinelerra -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../guicast -I../colors -fPIC -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/a52dec-0.7.4/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/djbfft-0.76/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ffmpeg-4.1/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/giflib-5.1.4/lib -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ilmbase-2.2.1/Iex -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ilmbase-2.2.1/Half -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ilmbase-2.2.1/Imath -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ilmbase-2.2.1/config -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/ilmbase-2.2.1/IlmThread -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/lame-3.100/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libraw1394-2.1.2/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libogg-1.3.3/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libtheora-1.1.1/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libuuid-1.0.3/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libvorbis-1.3.6/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libvorbis-1.3.6/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/lavtools -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/mjpegtools-2.1.0/utils -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libaom-v1.0.0/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/openexr-2.2.1/IlmImf -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/openexr-2.2.1/config -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/openjpeg-2.3.0/src/lib/openjp2 -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/twolame-0.3.13/libtwolame -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/x264-snapshot-20190117-2245-stable/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/x265_3.0/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/x265_3.0/source -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/libvpx-1.7.0/. -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/opus-1.3/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/lv2-1.14.0/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/lv2-1.14.0/usr/local/lib64/lv2 -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/lv2-1.14.0/usr/local/lib/lv2 -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/lilv-0.24.2/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/sratom-0.6.0/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/serd-0.28.0/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/sord-0.16.0/usr/local/include -I/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20190211/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/../thirdparty/suil-0.8.4/usr/local/include but resulting speed still around 9 fps 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In support of issue #120 (UHD blu-ray encoding/mastering)
by Andrew Randrianasulu 18 Feb '19

18 Feb '19

I found few forum posts about (non-opensource, windows) software, apparently able to fix tsmuxer output to be UHD-alike. https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175120 ----quote---- SM2UHD Discussion and Bug Reporting This thread has been created for discussing TSM2UHD, a program to convert TSMUXER BD formatted structures for use on standalone UHD BD players. What is TSM2UHD? TSM2UHD stands for "TSMUXER to UHD". TSMUXER v2.6.12 has the ability to multiplex HEVC streams into a Blu-Ray disc structure. One might assume, then, that if that structure was created from a 2160p (UHD) HEVC file that is compliant with Ultra HD Blu-Ray (UHD-BD) -- it would playback on a UHD player. Unfortunately, however, that isn't the case. When TSMUXER v2.6.12 was created there was still much that hadn't been decided in the UHD-BD standard. The purpose of this software is to examine the output of TSMUXER v 2.6.12 and make changes that are required in order to make that structure readable and compatible with a standard UHD-BD standalone player. Latest Version: v1.12 (Feb 25, 2018) Click this link to download the latest version in a zip file. How to use the software: 1. Read the software license text in LICENSE.TXT. 2. Create a set of streams (video/audio/subtitles) that is compatible with UHD-BD. This assumes the video is 3840x2160. Be careful with bitrates! An original stream may not work -- as its maximum bitrate could exceed that of a BD-50 or BD-25 disc. I recommend you make sure the total of all streams does not exceed 50Mbs combined for BD-50 (absolutely no more than 64Mbs) and 35Mbs for BD-25. 3. Open TSMUXER v2.6.12 and select those streams (TSMUXER instructions are available elsewhere -- and details are not included here). 4. Using the TSMUXER software, output a BD compatible structure to a folder on your hard drive. Let it complete its task. 5. Run TSM2UHD, and select the folder you created in step 4. Then press the button to start execution. TSM2UHD will run. It will make changes to these files in the TSMUXER created folder: Index.bdmv, MovieObject.bdmv, the .mpls file, .clpi file, and .m2ts file. NOTES: 1. This is beta software. I tested it on my Sony UBP-X800 player and it works. There is a chance there may still be bugs... if you have issues report them here. 2. Bitrates! Remember, An original stream may not work as is -- as its maximum bitrate could exceed that of a BD-50 or BD-25 disc. I recommend you make sure the total of all streams does not exceed 50Mbs combined for BD-50 (absolutely no more than 64Mbs) and 35Mbs for BD-25. 3. The program has to scan the entire M2TS stream making changes to every video start code and all PMT packets. This can take a while (about 30-40 minutes on my system). I have noticed that on my player, it seems to play ok even when these updates aren't done. For that reason I have added a checkbox on the program's form that allows you to skip those updates. I highly recommend keeping it unchecked for compliance... but if you're in a hurry and want to risk it, it's your choice. 4. I wrote this without access to the UHD-BD standard... so keep that in mind. If you run into an issue, report in this thread and I'll see what I can do. Please, don't keep asking for updates... it's freeware and I'll get to it when I have the free time. __________________ Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.net ---------------------- well, looking at BD white papers ... http://blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Part3_V3.2_WhitePaper… --------------p.14----------- 2.2.3.3 Video streams 2.2.3.3.1 Primary video stream Primary video stream is MPEG-4 AVC video stream or HEVC video stream. The video formats shown in Table 2-3 can be used for Primary video streams. Not all BD-ROM Players support 25/50Hz video formats. Table 2-3 – Specification of BD-ROM Primary video streams Codec HEVC MPEG-4 AVC Primary Video (Main 10, High Tier, Level 5.1) | (High/Main Profile, Level 4.1/4.0) Max. bitrate 100 Mbps | 40 Mbps Resolution 1920x1080, 3840x2160 | 1920x1080 Frame rate 23.976p, 24p, 25p, 50p, 59.94p, 23.976p, | 24p 60p Aspect ratio 16:9 | 16:9 ----------------- ----------p. 16--------- 2.2.3.3.5 Supported HDR technologies This format defines four types of HDR video formats: BDMV HDR, Dolby Vision, SL-HDR2 and HDR10+. The BDMV HDR is the HDR video format which is mandatory for player in this specification. The Dolby Vision, SL-HDR2 and HDR10+ are the optional HDR video technologies for players and discs. 2.2.3.3.5.1 BDMV HDR The BDMV HDR format is characterized by the following properties: • BDMV HDR video stream is an HEVC video stream (10bit, YCbCr 4:2:0). • color primaries: BT.2020 with non-constant luminance • EOTF(Electro-Optical Transfer Function): SMPTE 2084 • Metadata: SMPTE 2086(Mastering display color volume) metadata, Maximum Content Light Level (MaxCLL), and Maximum Frame-Average Light Level (MaxFALL) ------------------ see also 3 HEVC coding constraints at p. 31 There also was new release of libbluray, talks about UHD menus (1.1.0): https://www.videolan.org/developers/libbluray.html also this bug in mpv can add some light ... https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/issues/5325 mpv does not automatically detect UHD bluray filesystem structure #5325 https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/e3bee23fe4e0dc15ea2564b684572572f2… also interesting paper, talks about DV on Blu-Ray?? : http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/BD-RE_Part3_V2.1_WhitePa… ---quote (p.13)-------- 4. Direct Recording of DV Input 4.1. Overview Taking advantage of the BD-RE drive’s high user transfer rate (36Mbps), the BD-RE Application Format provides an optional functionality of recording DV streams (28.8Mbps) to BD-RE disc via the i.LINK. BD recorders that support this functionality enable users to record video material taken with a DV camcorder on BD-RE disc and take advantage of non-linear editing and other functions characteristic of disc media. 4.2. DV Stream Recording Format The recording format for the DV stream conforms to the DVCR digital interface standard (IEC 61883-2) (Fig. 3.1.4.2.1). The DV stream received through i.LINK is not re-encoded but recorded directly to disc, with aligning the beginning of the DV stream with the logical sector boundary, as shown in Fig. 3.1.4.2.2(a). ------------ (in relation to https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2017-January/034965.html - "[FFmpeg-user] DV to SD Blu-ray Terje J. Hanssen terje at nordland-teknikk.no Thu Jan 19 20:19:57 EET 2017")

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Detach plugin without move/shift the others
by Igor BEGHETTO 17 Feb '19

17 Feb '19

I would like to Detach a plugin between two others plugins but I don't want that the others plugins to be moved. I didn't find a function or a good way. Now, I only use "Turn Off" of that plugin but I would like to have the Timeline "clean". I added a short screencast https://streamable.com/d3nl4 Can you tell me, how can I do it? Thank you. IgorBeg

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